Index Change - Page 10

keith ohanesian · 12-19-2009, 01:53 PM

This by far the biggest joke That has ever happend in NHRA. The people that are making these rules have no clue what they are doing to the futher of stock and super stock! How many young people are entering these classes? NONE !!! I'm with them time for two 60mm turbos and some mini tubes f this s@#$!!!!

Tracy Robbins · 12-19-2009, 02:18 PM

I know a lot of you guys don't like "hood scoop" cars but this really hurts those of us on a tight budget. The comp...uhhh I mean new style modified cars w/ the $50,000 engines have already dropped some of the indexs and now another .30 is going to finish off some of us who don't have the funding to keep up w/ these guys. Bristol would now be out of the question for me unless that's an altitude adjusted track (not sure). Could save me some money, but regardless if I race any NHRA I will be at the very bottom of the sheet. The question is...will this change bring in more cars than it will run off? It appears to me that they need more cars as they are now opening up nationals to more classes so this decision doesn't make good financial sense. Just my .02

buzzinhalfdozen · 12-19-2009, 02:56 PM

Tracy, while I'll concede that there are some of those $50,000 dollar engines out there beating up some indexes, I doubt it's the norm. I don't have $50 large in my entire operation. Now I'm certainly no genious and I've been able to run under with my junk, of course that's most likely due to the "soft" indexes. So now I go from having a second under car to a .7 under car.....so what? As stated by a few on here , yes a few racers are gonna be affected in a bad way by this however they do have a choice, step up or move on.Not trying to be mean about it but that's just the hand that's been dealt. If I were in that spot I'd have to weigh my options and make a decision based on what I was willing and able to spend. Joe

z28camaroman · 12-19-2009, 03:07 PM

Isn't this where the indexes were about 20 years ago? I remember NHRA softened them up somewhere in that time frame. Now they are putting them back where they were before?

Jerry
#1710

Chris "drooze" Wertman · 12-19-2009, 03:24 PM

Hmmmmm a Challnger Drag Pak with a completed motor, and a HOOD scoop, was 35 out the door, half of that is engine cost, damm near.

Takes another 15 to make it ready, but thats 50 in the whole car. Its amazing (other than our cage and suspension work we paid to have done, were doing it all ourselves.....

Still cheaper than an SCJ by a bunch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tracy Robbins

I know a lot of you guys don't like "hood scoop" cars but this really hurts those of us on a tight budget. The comp...uhhh I mean new style modified cars w/ the $50,000 engines have already dropped some of the indexs and now another .30 is going to finish off some of us who don't have the funding to keep up w/ these guys. Bristol would now be out of the question for me unless that's an altitude adjusted track (not sure). Could save me some money, but regardless if I race any NHRA I will be at the very bottom of the sheet. The question is...will this change bring in more cars than it will run off? It appears to me that they need more cars as they are now opening up nationals to more classes so this decision doesn't make good financial sense. Just my .02

Ed Fernandez · 12-19-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Lane M Weber

The reason I can`t Mark is my car is only about .25 under now. I ran better than .30 under twice this past season,but never at a Combo or NHRA event. I know,I know,work on it,blah,blah,blah. Fact of the matter is,if I`m going to spend money on that thing,it won`t be so I can run low 16`s up here,I`m going to put a small block in it and run Pro or Super Pro. I`m tired of spending money on a slow car and it`s time to pick up the pace. The only reason I continued to stick with the slow car deal was because of Stock. So there you have it. I can walk away proud of my accomplishments in the class with no regrets.

Lane,if your car is .25 under can't you write a letter with documentation to get some HP relief?Worked for me 10 years ago.

SS Engine Guy · 12-19-2009, 03:36 PM

Senerio:

Racer A has a legal 1.00 under really nice, close to correctly factored race car.

Racer B has a grey area 1.30 under really nice, no where close to correctly factored car.

Index drops 3 tenths.

Racer A now has a legal .7 under really nice, close to correctly factored race car.

Racer B now has a grey area 1.30 under really nice, still no where close to correctly factored car. (He threw out the weight, moved the timing, quit lifting to gain his 3 tenths back).

There used to be 3 tenths seperating the two cars. Now there are 6 tenths seperating the two cars. Which car would you buy if the prices were the same? How much is a 1.30 under car vs. a .7 under car in terms of $100 dollar bills? How much money and time (which is money) would it take to pick up six tenths or even 3 tenths?
In my opinion this BS "rule of the week" just made the legal, close to correctly factored car worth less (not worthless). This rule just took money out of pockets in a number of areas. It has devalued alot of the combos out there with a pencil. It has given a racer a "need" to cheat to protect his investment when correctly factoring combos would have solved many problems. It has given a reason for "protecting" your combo, now more than before.

And while I'm at it I'll be damned if I can understand why fees go up all around and I can't even get a hard copy rulebook out of the deal. If you are that close to broke you might as well go ahead and fold. But we all know that isn't the case.............

bsa633 · 12-19-2009, 03:55 PM

Ther's many different scenario's about this deal....but dont forget that this racing has come to look more and more stupid from year to year...almost like comp with lifting at the 1000...that had to be adressed in some way.. IMO.

Tracy Robbins · 12-19-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by buzzinhalfdozen

Tracy, while I'll concede that there are some of those $50,000 dollar engines out there beating up some indexes, I doubt it's the norm. I don't have $50 large in my entire operation. Now I'm certainly no genious and I've been able to run under with my junk, of course that's most likely due to the "soft" indexes. So now I go from having a second under car to a .7 under car.....so what? As stated by a few on here , yes a few racers are gonna be affected in a bad way by this however they do have a choice, step up or move on.Not trying to be mean about it but that's just the hand that's been dealt. If I were in that spot I'd have to weigh my options and make a decision based on what I was willing and able to spend. Joe

I understand exactly what you're saying Joe, but it's sad that a lower budget racer should be forced to "move on"? As I stated before, NHRA's profits/car counts are down is this going to bring in more participants or force some to "move on"?
Personally, I will still go to whatever races I can get into and be competitive enough to run the index...until the index gets hit again.

Tracy Robbins · 12-19-2009, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by drooze

Hmmmmm a Challnger Drag Pak with a completed motor, and a HOOD scoop, was 35 out the door, half of that is engine cost, damm near.

Takes another 15 to make it ready, but thats 50 in the whole car. Its amazing (other than our cage and suspension work we paid to have done, were doing it all ourselves.....

Still cheaper than an SCJ by a bunch.

Sounds like a sweet car...is this a stocker or a superstocker?

12-19-2009, 01:53 PM	#91
keith ohanesian Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 392 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Index Change This by far the biggest joke That has ever happend in NHRA. The people that are making these rules have no clue what they are doing to the futher of stock and super stock! How many young people are entering these classes? NONE !!! I'm with them time for two 60mm turbos and some mini tubes f this s@#$!!!! __________________ No prep is king

12-19-2009, 02:18 PM	#92
Tracy Robbins Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Youngsville, NC Posts: 846 Likes: 3 Liked 25 Times in 11 Posts	Re: Index Change I know a lot of you guys don't like "hood scoop" cars but this really hurts those of us on a tight budget. The comp...uhhh I mean new style modified cars w/ the $50,000 engines have already dropped some of the indexs and now another .30 is going to finish off some of us who don't have the funding to keep up w/ these guys. Bristol would now be out of the question for me unless that's an altitude adjusted track (not sure). Could save me some money, but regardless if I race any NHRA I will be at the very bottom of the sheet. The question is...will this change bring in more cars than it will run off? It appears to me that they need more cars as they are now opening up nationals to more classes so this decision doesn't make good financial sense. Just my .02 __________________ Tracy Robbins SS 9766

12-19-2009, 02:56 PM	#93
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 984 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Index Change Tracy, while I'll concede that there are some of those $50,000 dollar engines out there beating up some indexes, I doubt it's the norm. I don't have $50 large in my entire operation. Now I'm certainly no genious and I've been able to run under with my junk, of course that's most likely due to the "soft" indexes. So now I go from having a second under car to a .7 under car.....so what? As stated by a few on here , yes a few racers are gonna be affected in a bad way by this however they do have a choice, step up or move on.Not trying to be mean about it but that's just the hand that's been dealt. If I were in that spot I'd have to weigh my options and make a decision based on what I was willing and able to spend. Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

12-19-2009, 03:07 PM	#94
z28camaroman Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Eldersburg, MD Posts: 153 Likes: 0 Liked 91 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Index Change Isn't this where the indexes were about 20 years ago? I remember NHRA softened them up somewhere in that time frame. Now they are putting them back where they were before? Jerry #1710

12-19-2009, 03:36 PM	#97
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Index Change Senerio: Racer A has a legal 1.00 under really nice, close to correctly factored race car. Racer B has a grey area 1.30 under really nice, no where close to correctly factored car. Index drops 3 tenths. Racer A now has a legal .7 under really nice, close to correctly factored race car. Racer B now has a grey area 1.30 under really nice, still no where close to correctly factored car. (He threw out the weight, moved the timing, quit lifting to gain his 3 tenths back). There used to be 3 tenths seperating the two cars. Now there are 6 tenths seperating the two cars. Which car would you buy if the prices were the same? How much is a 1.30 under car vs. a .7 under car in terms of $100 dollar bills? How much money and time (which is money) would it take to pick up six tenths or even 3 tenths? In my opinion this BS "rule of the week" just made the legal, close to correctly factored car worth less (not worthless). This rule just took money out of pockets in a number of areas. It has devalued alot of the combos out there with a pencil. It has given a racer a "need" to cheat to protect his investment when correctly factoring combos would have solved many problems. It has given a reason for "protecting" your combo, now more than before. And while I'm at it I'll be damned if I can understand why fees go up all around and I can't even get a hard copy rulebook out of the deal. If you are that close to broke you might as well go ahead and fold. But we all know that isn't the case.............

12-19-2009, 03:55 PM	#98
bsa633 Banned Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 310 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Index Change Ther's many different scenario's about this deal....but dont forget that this racing has come to look more and more stupid from year to year...almost like comp with lifting at the 1000...that had to be adressed in some way.. IMO.