Who was the first 10 sec. stick Stocker and - Page 4

Chuck Norton · 01-19-2010, 02:34 PM

I believe that the camshaft rules would have been roughly the same for a Stocker in 1971 as in 1978. Stock lift, duration, and overlap specs were enforced in both instances.

The piston in 1971 would have been required to have only the reliefs placed where they were needed for valve/piston clearance and they would have been no deeper than required for actual valve clearance. In 1978 the piston top would have been required to conform to the factory configuration.

I don't have a '71 Rulebook and I don't know what horsepower ratings were established in either instance. The Corvette appears to me to have been a '66 while Jim's car was a '67 Fairlane, I believe. The Corvette (if it was a '66) would have been a 427 with a single Holley. Jim's car might have been either a single or dual quad motor. It seems to me that he ran it both ways at various times but most commonly with a single carburetor.

bsa633 · 01-19-2010, 03:38 PM

Thanks Chuck

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Originally Posted by Chuck Norton

The Corvette (if it was a '66) would have been a 427 with a single Holley.

see that it has a 7.49 factor at 425hp, and would have been exluded until AA come along..Just trying to establish why no 10 runs seem to be made between 71 and 78..
...7 inch tires and stock duration cam..thats impressive!
Cya in 3 weeks!

Rich Biebel · 01-19-2010, 07:24 PM

Old stock vs new stock...........A cars minimum weight was the shipping weight back in the old days. No driver weight was accounted for. You were allowed 5 gals of gas and if you were light you could add a spare.
If you had a driver that was light, you had an edge.

Pistons......rings could be moved up and you could run any rings. Forgedtrues were pretty popular......

Valve springs had to check at stock pressures and we usually killed them if a shift was missed.

We ran GK and Lunati cams that had stock lift and duration....

7" tires and they were checked for width. As they grew you had to cut them or use a cheese grater.

M&H's were usually on stick cars and when Firestone came out with their "gumby" tires a lot of automatics used those......They were very soft and the hot rubbber from a new "trick" technique known as a stationary burnout.....burned the heck out of my ankles as I held the car.......

Kent Hanley · 01-19-2010, 10:32 PM

The first iteration of Kent's 302 was in that car and ran 11.19@121 in 1982. Kent bought it in 1985 and he did much better with it than I did.[/QUOTE]

Dwight I think the east coast air was a contibuting factor to your motor running better in my car. :-)

Kent

Dinsdale · 01-19-2010, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Gary Waldo

Dwight's correct, my Dad made the first 10 second Stock Eliminator run at Seattle on May 6, 1978. He went 10.95 at 124.82 to set the A/S national record.

Interestingly, it was exactly 23 years to the day (May 6, 2001) that Bobby DeArmond ran the first 9 second run at Mission.

Thanks for the facts Gary.. Sometimes tough for West Coasters to get any recognition. Also interesting that it took so long for a 1 second increase and now guys almost do it at will. Something stock must have gone out of stock. JMO!

Mark Yacavone · 01-20-2010, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Dinsdale

Thanks for the facts Gary.. Sometimes tough for West Coasters to get any recognition. Also interesting that it took so long for a 1 second increase and now guys almost do it at will. Something stock must have gone out of stock. JMO!

With all due respect to Jim and family, it is factually incorrect to say he was the first Stock Eliminator car in the 10's.

He was the first 8 lb, 9 inch tire, modern configuration Stocker in the 10's.

X-TECH MAN · 01-20-2010, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by bsa633

Thanks Chuck

see that it has a 7.49 factor at 425hp, and would have been exluded until AA come along..Just trying to establish why no 10 runs seem to be made between 71 and 78..
...7 inch tires and stock duration cam..thats impressive!
Cya in 3 weeks!

1971 would have been the last year for the 7 inch tire deal and aftermarket pistons, deep oil pans, etc. . The "NEW" stock eliminator began in 72. I think it was 74 or 75 brfore they were allowed headers again and real 9 inch slicks instead of those DOT slicks.

X-TECH MAN · 01-20-2010, 06:22 AM

[QUOTE=Dinsdale;Also interesting that it took so long for a 1 second increase and now guys almost do it at will. Something stock must have gone out of stock. JMO![/QUOTE]

Then why all the bitching about losing 3 thenths off the index?

Dwight Southerland · 01-20-2010, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Colvert

Hey Dwight, If I remember correctly it was 1983 Green Valley you blasted doun the track with a 11.30 something for the record, only to give it up to S.E. & Kuntz when they made their run behind you a blistering 11.27. Little did you know that they had worked on the old CJ every night for a week getting it as perfect as it could be. I had also set my first SS/G record that weekend. LOL Are we having fun?

Jeff Colvert SS/G 4456
1983 10.51 @ na
2009 9.482 @ 140.53

Jeff, the problem with your memory is that the Camaro was the one that got torn down, SE didn't back up his run. So the Camaro got the record. That was also the race where I ran the 11.19@121 on Sunday morning after setting the record at 11.32@119 on Saturday. I think I may have bought fresh gas for the Camaro to get ready for that race.

Giving credit to SE and Jim, one of the outstanding performances I remember was at the winter series race in Lake Charles ('85 or '86) where they ran 10.80s in D. I believe it was the red car. I was in B there and could only run a few hundredths quicker.

We were all bad back then!!

Jeff Colvert · 01-20-2010, 11:24 AM

Dwight:

Just talked to Verne. I needed him(with his computer memory) to confirm my memory of of that race. We set the record at 11.27 and backed it up with an 11.31, in fact I have the record certificate to prove it.
I remember that was a fun time to race because you had a bunch of guys in your class and all were friends and trying to out perform the other. Of all the things I miss about racing that is the thing I miss the most.
Verne doesn't remember the 11.19 run but I wouldn't argue with you since most days
now I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday.

You LOOONG time Buddy;
S.E.

01-19-2010, 02:34 PM	#31
Chuck Norton Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Covina, CA Posts: 474 Likes: 108 Liked 89 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Who was the first 10 sec. stick Stocker and I believe that the camshaft rules would have been roughly the same for a Stocker in 1971 as in 1978. Stock lift, duration, and overlap specs were enforced in both instances. The piston in 1971 would have been required to have only the reliefs placed where they were needed for valve/piston clearance and they would have been no deeper than required for actual valve clearance. In 1978 the piston top would have been required to conform to the factory configuration. I don't have a '71 Rulebook and I don't know what horsepower ratings were established in either instance. The Corvette appears to me to have been a '66 while Jim's car was a '67 Fairlane, I believe. The Corvette (if it was a '66) would have been a 427 with a single Holley. Jim's car might have been either a single or dual quad motor. It seems to me that he ran it both ways at various times but most commonly with a single carburetor.

01-19-2010, 07:24 PM	#33
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: Who was the first 10 sec. stick Stocker and Old stock vs new stock...........A cars minimum weight was the shipping weight back in the old days. No driver weight was accounted for. You were allowed 5 gals of gas and if you were light you could add a spare. If you had a driver that was light, you had an edge. Pistons......rings could be moved up and you could run any rings. Forgedtrues were pretty popular...... Valve springs had to check at stock pressures and we usually killed them if a shift was missed. We ran GK and Lunati cams that had stock lift and duration.... 7" tires and they were checked for width. As they grew you had to cut them or use a cheese grater. M&H's were usually on stick cars and when Firestone came out with their "gumby" tires a lot of automatics used those......They were very soft and the hot rubbber from a new "trick" technique known as a stationary burnout.....burned the heck out of my ankles as I held the car....... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 01-19-2010 at 07:29 PM.

01-19-2010, 10:32 PM	#34
Kent Hanley Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 130 Likes: 149 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Who was the first 10 sec. stick Stocker and The first iteration of Kent's 302 was in that car and ran 11.19@121 in 1982. Kent bought it in 1985 and he did much better with it than I did.[/QUOTE] Dwight I think the east coast air was a contibuting factor to your motor running better in my car. :-) Kent

01-20-2010, 06:22 AM	#38
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Who was the first 10 sec. stick Stocker and [QUOTE=Dinsdale;Also interesting that it took so long for a 1 second increase and now guys almost do it at will. Something stock must have gone out of stock. JMO![/QUOTE] Then why all the bitching about losing 3 thenths off the index?

01-20-2010, 11:24 AM	#40
Jeff Colvert Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arkadelphia, AR Posts: 289 Likes: 8 Liked 3 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Who was the first 10 sec. stick Stocker and Dwight: Just talked to Verne. I needed him(with his computer memory) to confirm my memory of of that race. We set the record at 11.27 and backed it up with an 11.31, in fact I have the record certificate to prove it. I remember that was a fun time to race because you had a bunch of guys in your class and all were friends and trying to out perform the other. Of all the things I miss about racing that is the thing I miss the most. Verne doesn't remember the 11.19 run but I wouldn't argue with you since most days now I can't remember what I had for lunch yesterday. You LOOONG time Buddy; S.E.