PINKS...Here's Our Chance.....

[Floyd Gomez]

How does pinks sustain stock and super stock futures? This is not class racing it is not even close. People will never grasp the concept of class racing if you change the format from the way it is done now. Also everybody on here needs to understand. THIS IS FOR ARM DROP LIVE NOT PINKS. No TV time, No big press, nothing. The fan base is alot smaller and there hasnt been any mention of what the purse would actually be. Talk to Rich and ask him the chance of a show with even 12.5 cars or slower and watch him laugh. He will be the first to tell you that doesn't excite the crowd enough. It is all about the dollar to Speed and Rich just like to NHRA. Of course Rich says put on your Sundays Best and we might get a show but in reality that is a very slim chance. Especially if you run slower cars. Has anyone thought to ask why some of the tracks have dropped the PINK ALL OUT show from their format? Why don't you ask Pat down at No Problem. Maybe he can give some insight. People say this will bring more calss racers to our side however, If you have the chance to build a car that runs 10.0 with nitrous for 4K or a stocker that runs 10.0 for 50K which one will you choose? C'mon man. All this will do is say to the HRA's that our class wants to compete in heads up no rules racing so why keep them around. You are hurting the class instead of helping it. Somebody also said that seeing their car for 1/10 of a second on TV is worth it. Worth what? I would rather have a chance at 10K with no TV than spend entry and expenses to say hey if you dont blink you can see my car on tv and then explain that my car wasnt good enough to get picked to race for the money while some other guys junk was.

[Everett Vassar]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

How does pinks sustain stock and super stock futures? This is not class racing it is not even close. People will never grasp the concept of class racing if you change the format from the way it is done now. Also everybody on here needs to understand. THIS IS FOR ARM DROP LIVE NOT PINKS. No TV time, No big press, nothing. The fan base is alot smaller and there hasnt been any mention of what the purse would actually be. Talk to Rich and ask him the chance of a show with even 12.5 cars or slower and watch him laugh. He will be the first to tell you that doesn't excite the crowd enough. It is all about the dollar to Speed and Rich just like to NHRA. Of course Rich says put on your Sundays Best and we might get a show but in reality that is a very slim chance. Especially if you run slower cars. Has anyone thought to ask why some of the tracks have dropped the PINK ALL OUT show from their format? Why don't you ask Pat down at No Problem. Maybe he can give some insight. People say this will bring more calss racers to our side however, If you have the chance to build a car that runs 10.0 with nitrous for 4K or a stocker that runs 10.0 for 50K which one will you choose? C'mon man. All this will do is say to the HRA's that our class wants to compete in heads up no rules racing so why keep them around. You are hurting the class instead of helping it. Somebody also said that seeing their car for 1/10 of a second on TV is worth it. Worth what? I would rather have a chance at 10K with no TV than spend entry and expenses to say hey if you dont blink you can see my car on tv and then explain that my car wasnt good enough to get picked to race for the money while some other guys junk was.

"Somebody also said that seeing their car for 1/10 of a second on TV is worth it. Worth what? I would rather have a chance at 10K with no TV than spend entry and expenses to say hey if you dont blink you can see my car on tv and then explain that my car wasnt good enough to get picked to race for the money while some other guys junk was."

Of course all of your points are valid Floyd.--I can answer by saying this again--

"So sometimes I find myself getting just a little too Elite'st or comfortable with it all,and P.O.A. is just about the right medicine.Just like a good ol Friday night test and tune"

I also know that you guys have spent a lot more time and money on your legal class cars than I have on my bracket car.And YOU SHOULD ALL HAVE A BIG STAGE PROVIDED BY NHRA.Its ashamed that hasnt happened.

I know you didnt spend that time and money on a legal class car to participate in a baldheaded jerk-off session----But its fun and its different.And you would be fired up to do it when you first started racing before you knew how to race.---And there is the T.V. thing!

[Randall Klein]

Geez, what's with all the negativity? It's not either or, its both and....another option for our specialty cars....if its not for you, so what?

Anyway, still waiting for an answer for the proper time to "leave"....in watching some of the shows, I think he points at both cars (staged & ready check I assume), then lifts both arms, and drops....so I'm asking, can you leave on the first downward motion or when his hands reach the bottom of the stroke...what are they "looking for" in the tower to indicate a red light start?

[Gary Smith]

Originally Posted by Randall Klein

Geez, what's with all the negativity? It's not either or, its both and....another option for our specialty cars....if its not for you, so what?

Anyway, still waiting for an answer for the proper time to "leave"....in watching some of the shows, I think he points at both cars (staged & ready check I assume), then lifts both arms, and drops....so I'm asking, can you leave on the first downward motion or when his hands reach the bottom of the stroke...what are they "looking for" in the tower to indicate a red light start?

Hey Randall, I'll share my experience ONLY if a certain '56 Nomad comes out to participate .

You still roll into the beams, but if memory serves me, the tree doesn't activate (sorry, I was glued to Rich's gestures). His rule is as soon as he even twitches once both arms are in the air...WOOD IT!!!

[Floyd Gomez]

OK Gary now lets comapre apples to apples. First bear in mind this is not the 60's or 70's. Those same kids attend a PINKS event to see drag racing for the first time. They are walking through the staging lanes and come across a couple of 96 camaro's sitting side by side. One of those cars is owned by Dan Fletcher and the other by Billy Bob from down the street. They look at Dan's car and see a very well kept Stock looking Camaro. They tell Dan how much they like his car and ask what does it cost to build something like this. Dan replies " about 60K to be competitive and a lot of hard work". They look over at Billy Bob and see his Camaro is also a very nice stock looking car. They ask Billy Bob "Wow did you spend that much too?" Billy Bob laughs and says "Hell no. You don't need all that crap they have. Just get you a bottle of nitrous and hang on. I built this thing for 7K and can out run that 60K car any day of the week." So what do you honestly think those kids who now want to race are going to do? Lets be real. To bring more interest into class racing requires you to run the class properly. If you don't you are simply at a glorified run what you brung race where nobody cares about what Class your car runs in or how Class racing is done.

[Jeff Lee]

The only bad publicity is no publicity.

How often does a current S/SS get magazine exposure in Hot Rod, Car Craft, Pop Hot Rod? Yea, you'll see some resurrected, restored and no longer competitive car in them once and awhile, but not much mention on the art of building a currently competitive ride.

I'd say for PAO, especially a Stocker more so than SS, the fact the car has a Q-Jet, factory cast iron heads and intake, emphasis on the 9" slick followed by the big wheelie and the PDQ ET, it could generate some interest in the sport.
I'd say group them together by ET as they do now or group them A-B-C (on down the line) like Top Stock. But I really can't see changing their format just for Class cars.

[Hemiparts]

Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

OK Gary now lets comapre apples to apples. First bear in mind this is not the 60's or 70's. Those same kids attend a PINKS event to see drag racing for the first time. They are walking through the staging lanes and come across a couple of 96 camaro's sitting side by side. One of those cars is owned by Dan Fletcher and the other by Billy Bob from down the street. They look at Dan's car and see a very well kept Stock looking Camaro. They tell Dan how much they like his car and ask what does it cost to build something like this. Dan replies " about 60K to be competitive and a lot of hard work". They look over at Billy Bob and see his Camaro is also a very nice stock looking car. They ask Billy Bob "Wow did you spend that much too?" Billy Bob laughs and says "Hell no. You don't need all that crap they have. Just get you a bottle of nitrous and hang on. I built this thing for 7K and can out run that 60K car any day of the week." So what do you honestly think those kids who now want to race are going to do? Lets be real. To bring more interest into class racing requires you to run the class properly. If you don't you are simply at a glorified run what you brung race where nobody cares about what Class your car runs in or how Class racing is done.

Yea, but it's that same group of kids that if you don't get them exposed to class racing as the older generations start to retire there won't be any class racers to carry on the sport.. IMO

[Floyd Gomez]

They are not going to carry on the class anyway. The fans at PINKS have no interest in class. They may be the future of bracket racing but that is about it. They are not willing to spend the money and time to build a stock or super stocker when they can go just as fast or faster with nitrous and a lot less rules. AS I have said before. We need more exposure with representation of what we do not what PINKS does. I know we need a change but I offered a soloution. Just seems all people on here want to do is push PINKS and most of those people are bracket racers and not Class Racers.

[Gary Smith]

Floyd, I probably shouldn't waste anymore time trying to convince you but I will just because I can.

Try this on for size.....a group of kids are sitting at a table when out comes a master chef with a nicely prepared steak tar-tare. Immediately this turns off their appetites and drivies them from the table. The chef, now puzzled as to how anyone could turn their nose up to such an exquisite delicacy and goes back to figure out how to regain their interest in his classic fare. So he contacts Ronald McDonald who offers a great solution...turn the tar-tare into hamburger patties and serve as Happy Meals. The Chef and his 5 star crew are insulted, saying it takes years of education and hard work to prepare a meal like tar-tare. But the clown says "it will sell better to kids and their parents will enjoy the simplicity and fun the meals will provide, even though it's not like enjoying a nice tar-tare at the country club." Reluctant, the chef submits to the clowns advice, adjusting his creation accordingly and returns to the table of kids with a circus style presentation and silly gimmicks. Shocked the chef finds his goofy creation a huge hit. Months pass when a sizable group of those kids return, claiming they've developed a taste for beef. They approach the chef, asking, "we not only want to try your tar-tare, but would like to learn the art of preparing it".

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