PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... - Page 8

Gary Smith · 03-17-2010, 01:36 PM

Floyd, I probably shouldn't waste anymore time trying to convince you but I will just because I can.

Try this on for size.....a group of kids are sitting at a table when out comes a master chef with a nicely prepared steak tar-tare. Immediately this turns off their appetites and drivies them from the table. The chef, now puzzled as to how anyone could turn their nose up to such an exquisite delicacy and goes back to figure out how to regain their interest in his classic fare. So he contacts Ronald McDonald who offers a great solution...turn the tar-tare into hamburger patties and serve as Happy Meals. The Chef and his 5 star crew are insulted, saying it takes years of education and hard work to prepare a meal like tar-tare. But the clown says "it will sell better to kids and their parents will enjoy the simplicity and fun the meals will provide, even though it's not like enjoying a nice tar-tare at the country club." Reluctant, the chef submits to the clowns advice, adjusting his creation accordingly and returns to the table of kids with a circus style presentation and silly gimmicks. Shocked the chef finds his goofy creation a huge hit. Months pass when a sizable group of those kids return, claiming they've developed a taste for beef. They approach the chef, asking, "we not only want to try your tar-tare, but would like to learn the art of preparing it".

You see the login now?

Gary Smith · 03-17-2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Randall Klein

Geez, what's with all the negativity? It's not either or, its both and....another option for our specialty cars....if its not for you, so what?

Anyway, still waiting for an answer for the proper time to "leave"....in watching some of the shows, I think he points at both cars (staged & ready check I assume), then lifts both arms, and drops....so I'm asking, can you leave on the first downward motion or when his hands reach the bottom of the stroke...what are they "looking for" in the tower to indicate a red light start?

Hey Randall, I'll share my experience ONLY if a certain '56 Nomad comes out to participate

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You still roll into the beams, but if memory serves me, the tree doesn't activate (sorry, I was glued to Rich's gestures). His rule is as soon as he even twitches once both arms are in the air...WOOD IT!!!

Floyd Gomez · 03-17-2010, 03:06 PM

OK Gary now lets comapre apples to apples. First bear in mind this is not the 60's or 70's. Those same kids attend a PINKS event to see drag racing for the first time. They are walking through the staging lanes and come across a couple of 96 camaro's sitting side by side. One of those cars is owned by Dan Fletcher and the other by Billy Bob from down the street. They look at Dan's car and see a very well kept Stock looking Camaro. They tell Dan how much they like his car and ask what does it cost to build something like this. Dan replies " about 60K to be competitive and a lot of hard work". They look over at Billy Bob and see his Camaro is also a very nice stock looking car. They ask Billy Bob "Wow did you spend that much too?" Billy Bob laughs and says "Hell no. You don't need all that crap they have. Just get you a bottle of nitrous and hang on. I built this thing for 7K and can out run that 60K car any day of the week." So what do you honestly think those kids who now want to race are going to do? Lets be real. To bring more interest into class racing requires you to run the class properly. If you don't you are simply at a glorified run what you brung race where nobody cares about what Class your car runs in or how Class racing is done.

Jeff Lee · 03-17-2010, 04:05 PM

The only bad publicity is no publicity.

How often does a current S/SS get magazine exposure in Hot Rod, Car Craft, Pop Hot Rod? Yea, you'll see some resurrected, restored and no longer competitive car in them once and awhile, but not much mention on the art of building a currently competitive ride.

I'd say for PAO, especially a Stocker more so than SS, the fact the car has a Q-Jet, factory cast iron heads and intake, emphasis on the 9" slick followed by the big wheelie and the PDQ ET, it could generate some interest in the sport.
I'd say group them together by ET as they do now or group them A-B-C (on down the line) like Top Stock. But I really can't see changing their format just for Class cars.

Hemiparts · 03-17-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

OK Gary now lets comapre apples to apples. First bear in mind this is not the 60's or 70's. Those same kids attend a PINKS event to see drag racing for the first time. They are walking through the staging lanes and come across a couple of 96 camaro's sitting side by side. One of those cars is owned by Dan Fletcher and the other by Billy Bob from down the street. They look at Dan's car and see a very well kept Stock looking Camaro. They tell Dan how much they like his car and ask what does it cost to build something like this. Dan replies " about 60K to be competitive and a lot of hard work". They look over at Billy Bob and see his Camaro is also a very nice stock looking car. They ask Billy Bob "Wow did you spend that much too?" Billy Bob laughs and says "Hell no. You don't need all that crap they have. Just get you a bottle of nitrous and hang on. I built this thing for 7K and can out run that 60K car any day of the week." So what do you honestly think those kids who now want to race are going to do? Lets be real. To bring more interest into class racing requires you to run the class properly. If you don't you are simply at a glorified run what you brung race where nobody cares about what Class your car runs in or how Class racing is done.

Yea, but it's that same group of kids that if you don't get them exposed to class racing as the older generations start to retire there won't be any class racers to carry on the sport.. IMO

Floyd Gomez · 03-17-2010, 05:39 PM

They are not going to carry on the class anyway. The fans at PINKS have no interest in class. They may be the future of bracket racing but that is about it. They are not willing to spend the money and time to build a stock or super stocker when they can go just as fast or faster with nitrous and a lot less rules. AS I have said before. We need more exposure with representation of what we do not what PINKS does. I know we need a change but I offered a soloution. Just seems all people on here want to do is push PINKS and most of those people are bracket racers and not Class Racers.

Floyd Gomez · 03-17-2010, 06:35 PM

Oh and by the way. For all of you that keep saying we are on a downhill trend. Stock and Super Stock have a been on a climb in number of cars competeing since 2000. Eventhough a lot of racers parked or sold their cars due to the economy we still have more racing today than we did in 2000.

Jeff Stout · 03-18-2010, 12:08 AM

Floyd how many NHRA div or Nats have you been to that you spend $60 entry and race 1 day for 18k? None $250 entry to win a couple thousands and fight with contigency for the rest and get it if your lucky
How many div or nats have you been to that you had a paid sponsor put on your car because you were racing a div or nat race? none We have had on Pinks, and POA and Passtime companies pay to see there company name on cars TV or at least have a chance to see it on TV understanding the word (possibly see advertisement on TV)
How many people watched your car on TV when you told them you were going to be on Tv at the last Div or Nat event? none Oh thats right you have to be in the final and have Sportman TV coverage show 5 seconds of the 10 second pass
The format at POA may not be S/SS friendly but a few changes could make a couple classes run heads up. ABC could run B weight DEF could run E weight. Its not hard to make a few changes to help level the field.
Your analogy of what it costs to run 10.0 is so far off. I have $9600 in a SBC Monte that runs 10.0's and for $450 more it runs 9.0's on nitrous. The car looks a little rough but at 50 foot you could not tell it from a stock eliminator car. But for another $1000 it could look as good as Fletchers car and I can do it myself. My point is it doesnt matter on the cost. Your looking at having a $60 k car to win a few thousand or 10k car and have a sponsor pay your way to win 18k.$60 grand to go 10.0's you got to be putting your money in the wrong place. Yes I know about SS cars, I have a SS Monte with $35 k in it and only been 62 under. My mistake for trying wrong combo and or vehicle to run faster classes. But another 15K I could go 1 under and sell 62 under motor for $7500. But for what? Bragging rights to whom or to show off to the 10 spectators in the stands. Gary keep up the fight as it is for the good of the sport to try and get it back on the map, because the direction its going is certainly not going to resurrect the class. POA and TV is a great place to rekindle the fire os S/SS.
Billy (Jeff) Bob

Jeff Stout · 03-18-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Floyd Gomez

Oh and by the way. For all of you that keep saying we are on a downhill trend. Stock and Super Stock have a been on a climb in number of cars competeing since 2000. Eventhough a lot of racers parked or sold their cars due to the economy we still have more racing today than we did in 2000.

Take a look from 2005 and 2009 and see if the trend is going up. NOT

Floyd Gomez · 03-18-2010, 08:20 AM

OK Jeff. How many times do you spend 60 bucks with a guarentee to run for 18K? You also supported my claim as far as cost. You say you have 35K in a Superstocker and for another 15K you could run 1.0 under to be competetive. You also claim to have a car that cost 9600.00 that runs 10.0 and for 450.00 it could run 9's. That is exactly my point. This is to get people interested in STOCK SUPERSTOCK. Is your 9600.00 car legal for stock or super stock? I'm guessing NOT. And yes you can build a 10.0 car for 7 grand taht looks awesome and like a stocker. 90 Camaro V6 car bought for 3K. Clean car. SBC350 built with turbo 350 trans and shift kit. 2500.00. Guages, safety and nitrous 1500.00 and it ran 10.07 @ 131.63 MPH. Now call Dan Fletcher or Woodro or any other competetive Stock or Superstock racer and ask them how much to build a car in class that runs the same. All I hear is TV this and 18K that. What you are not saying is you have less that a 10% chance of running for the money and being on TV. You mention running ABC class under B weight and make it fair. Thats a joke right or do you not follow class racing. Bring a CJ A/SA and put it against a C/SA camaro both at B weight. You can't say the CJ cant run because his legal class is A. See then how many class racers want part of a heads up 1950's arm drop race. And as far as head count. IF you READ my post it states more are racing today than in 2000 in class. It ALSO states that eventhough many racers have parked or sold we still have a higher head count than in 2000.

03-17-2010, 01:36 PM	#71
Gary Smith Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Greensboro, NC Posts: 820 Likes: 9 Liked 132 Times in 30 Posts	Re: PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... Floyd, I probably shouldn't waste anymore time trying to convince you but I will just because I can. Try this on for size.....a group of kids are sitting at a table when out comes a master chef with a nicely prepared steak tar-tare. Immediately this turns off their appetites and drivies them from the table. The chef, now puzzled as to how anyone could turn their nose up to such an exquisite delicacy and goes back to figure out how to regain their interest in his classic fare. So he contacts Ronald McDonald who offers a great solution...turn the tar-tare into hamburger patties and serve as Happy Meals. The Chef and his 5 star crew are insulted, saying it takes years of education and hard work to prepare a meal like tar-tare. But the clown says "it will sell better to kids and their parents will enjoy the simplicity and fun the meals will provide, even though it's not like enjoying a nice tar-tare at the country club." Reluctant, the chef submits to the clowns advice, adjusting his creation accordingly and returns to the table of kids with a circus style presentation and silly gimmicks. Shocked the chef finds his goofy creation a huge hit. Months pass when a sizable group of those kids return, claiming they've developed a taste for beef. They approach the chef, asking, "we not only want to try your tar-tare, but would like to learn the art of preparing it". You see the login now? __________________ Gary Smith "another broke racer spectating" Last edited by Gary Smith; 03-17-2010 at 01:44 PM. Reason: can't spell worth a darn today....

03-17-2010, 03:06 PM	#73
Floyd Gomez Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 275 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... OK Gary now lets comapre apples to apples. First bear in mind this is not the 60's or 70's. Those same kids attend a PINKS event to see drag racing for the first time. They are walking through the staging lanes and come across a couple of 96 camaro's sitting side by side. One of those cars is owned by Dan Fletcher and the other by Billy Bob from down the street. They look at Dan's car and see a very well kept Stock looking Camaro. They tell Dan how much they like his car and ask what does it cost to build something like this. Dan replies " about 60K to be competitive and a lot of hard work". They look over at Billy Bob and see his Camaro is also a very nice stock looking car. They ask Billy Bob "Wow did you spend that much too?" Billy Bob laughs and says "Hell no. You don't need all that crap they have. Just get you a bottle of nitrous and hang on. I built this thing for 7K and can out run that 60K car any day of the week." So what do you honestly think those kids who now want to race are going to do? Lets be real. To bring more interest into class racing requires you to run the class properly. If you don't you are simply at a glorified run what you brung race where nobody cares about what Class your car runs in or how Class racing is done.

03-17-2010, 04:05 PM	#74
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... The only bad publicity is no publicity. How often does a current S/SS get magazine exposure in Hot Rod, Car Craft, Pop Hot Rod? Yea, you'll see some resurrected, restored and no longer competitive car in them once and awhile, but not much mention on the art of building a currently competitive ride. I'd say for PAO, especially a Stocker more so than SS, the fact the car has a Q-Jet, factory cast iron heads and intake, emphasis on the 9" slick followed by the big wheelie and the PDQ ET, it could generate some interest in the sport. I'd say group them together by ET as they do now or group them A-B-C (on down the line) like Top Stock. But I really can't see changing their format just for Class cars. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

03-17-2010, 05:39 PM	#76
Floyd Gomez Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 275 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... They are not going to carry on the class anyway. The fans at PINKS have no interest in class. They may be the future of bracket racing but that is about it. They are not willing to spend the money and time to build a stock or super stocker when they can go just as fast or faster with nitrous and a lot less rules. AS I have said before. We need more exposure with representation of what we do not what PINKS does. I know we need a change but I offered a soloution. Just seems all people on here want to do is push PINKS and most of those people are bracket racers and not Class Racers.

03-17-2010, 06:35 PM	#77
Floyd Gomez Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 275 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... Oh and by the way. For all of you that keep saying we are on a downhill trend. Stock and Super Stock have a been on a climb in number of cars competeing since 2000. Eventhough a lot of racers parked or sold their cars due to the economy we still have more racing today than we did in 2000.

03-18-2010, 12:08 AM	#78
Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,486 Likes: 66 Liked 704 Times in 281 Posts	Re: PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... Floyd how many NHRA div or Nats have you been to that you spend $60 entry and race 1 day for 18k? None $250 entry to win a couple thousands and fight with contigency for the rest and get it if your lucky How many div or nats have you been to that you had a paid sponsor put on your car because you were racing a div or nat race? none We have had on Pinks, and POA and Passtime companies pay to see there company name on cars TV or at least have a chance to see it on TV understanding the word (possibly see advertisement on TV) How many people watched your car on TV when you told them you were going to be on Tv at the last Div or Nat event? none Oh thats right you have to be in the final and have Sportman TV coverage show 5 seconds of the 10 second pass The format at POA may not be S/SS friendly but a few changes could make a couple classes run heads up. ABC could run B weight DEF could run E weight. Its not hard to make a few changes to help level the field. Your analogy of what it costs to run 10.0 is so far off. I have $9600 in a SBC Monte that runs 10.0's and for $450 more it runs 9.0's on nitrous. The car looks a little rough but at 50 foot you could not tell it from a stock eliminator car. But for another $1000 it could look as good as Fletchers car and I can do it myself. My point is it doesnt matter on the cost. Your looking at having a $60 k car to win a few thousand or 10k car and have a sponsor pay your way to win 18k.$60 grand to go 10.0's you got to be putting your money in the wrong place. Yes I know about SS cars, I have a SS Monte with $35 k in it and only been 62 under. My mistake for trying wrong combo and or vehicle to run faster classes. But another 15K I could go 1 under and sell 62 under motor for $7500. But for what? Bragging rights to whom or to show off to the 10 spectators in the stands. Gary keep up the fight as it is for the good of the sport to try and get it back on the map, because the direction its going is certainly not going to resurrect the class. POA and TV is a great place to rekindle the fire os S/SS. Billy (Jeff) Bob Last edited by Jeff Stout; 03-18-2010 at 12:49 AM.

03-18-2010, 08:20 AM	#80
Floyd Gomez Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: South Carolina Posts: 275 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: PINKS...Here's Our Chance..... OK Jeff. How many times do you spend 60 bucks with a guarentee to run for 18K? You also supported my claim as far as cost. You say you have 35K in a Superstocker and for another 15K you could run 1.0 under to be competetive. You also claim to have a car that cost 9600.00 that runs 10.0 and for 450.00 it could run 9's. That is exactly my point. This is to get people interested in STOCK SUPERSTOCK. Is your 9600.00 car legal for stock or super stock? I'm guessing NOT. And yes you can build a 10.0 car for 7 grand taht looks awesome and like a stocker. 90 Camaro V6 car bought for 3K. Clean car. SBC350 built with turbo 350 trans and shift kit. 2500.00. Guages, safety and nitrous 1500.00 and it ran 10.07 @ 131.63 MPH. Now call Dan Fletcher or Woodro or any other competetive Stock or Superstock racer and ask them how much to build a car in class that runs the same. All I hear is TV this and 18K that. What you are not saying is you have less that a 10% chance of running for the money and being on TV. You mention running ABC class under B weight and make it fair. Thats a joke right or do you not follow class racing. Bring a CJ A/SA and put it against a C/SA camaro both at B weight. You can't say the CJ cant run because his legal class is A. See then how many class racers want part of a heads up 1950's arm drop race. And as far as head count. IF you READ my post it states more are racing today than in 2000 in class. It ALSO states that eventhough many racers have parked or sold we still have a higher head count than in 2000.