Hope I do not regret this post and I hope it is taken as just an honest question.

[Bruce Noland]

[QUOTE=Jack Matyas;177097]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Andy,
Personally, I'm glad you started this thread. We need to discuss these issues. None of this would be happening if we were dealing with a decent sanctioning body. But unfotunately we are not. Some say this is just a business for the sanctioning body in question but the sanctioning body does such a good job at masqurading as a family oriented not for profit that it leaves many people bewildered when it makes so many self serving decisions. Make no mistake, these guys know exactly what they are doing. They have been lobbied successfully by the OEM's and others who have a lot to gain from these new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock. These new cars coming into Stock and Super Stock will feed the professional carreers of some and increase income for others, but of course these facts should not be considered when making decisions about Sportsman Racing. There are many indoctrinated racers who simply want to run down the track and they aren't bothered by the fact that very soon their way of racing will be gone forever. Gone? Why-come? Because most racers cannot afford $100,000.00 racing programs and these new cars will simply shatter their dreams of working on their old combinations with the hopes of becoming a player in their respective classes. Nope, that dream is gone. It will be left to the 100 or so racers who are rich enough to exploit a lame, money-sucking sanctioning body.

Bruce -- The way I see it is that it doesn't matter which of us is right as there are only two facts that are important right now -- the first is that the "new" cars are here to stay and the second is that the NHRA isn't about to back down and make serious changes to the current HP as you have suggested -- so here's the dilemma -- which do YOU need more -- a "new" car or a new sanctioning body ....................At some point you must realize that you can beat the drum as loud as you want but no one is coming .................

Jack,
It takes a little time to develop remedies for situations like this one. We have more options than you offer. There is a fully developed thrid option that will soon make it's way through the proper channels. It has taken 14 months to put it together with very little expense. You'll probably hear about it by the end of the year.

[Jack Matyas]

[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;177128]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Jack,
It takes a little time to develop remedies for situations like this one. We have more options than you offer. There is a fully developed thrid option that will soon make it's way through the proper channels. It has taken 14 months to put it together with very little expense. You'll probably hear about it by the end of the year.

Bruce ------------- With promises like this soon I'll offer you a job with me here in the "Christmas City" ---------------- selling "Pre-Owned Vehicles " .........................Just give it up and spit out your new ideas ! ! ! !

[Bruce Noland]

[QUOTE=Jack Matyas;177131]

Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

Bruce ------------- With promises like this soon I'll offer you a job with me here in the "Christmas City" ---------------- selling "Pre-Owned Vehicles " .........................Just give it up and spit out your new ideas ! ! ! !

Jack,
I never said anything about promises. Sorry, I have no interest in your trade. All organizations are accountable to outside agencies. Especially those organizations that pretend to be omnipotent. And finally my ideas aren't new.

[Ed Wright]

Records used to be worth points. An et record was the same points as winning 2 rounds, a MPH record same as one round. Why did that change? Also, I agree qualifying should be worth some points. Some thing simple, like ten points for #1, on down to 1 point for #10, or something similar. Nothing hard about that.

It would be very simple to put a stock vehicle on a chassis dyno, and if that number is higher than the factory rating, start off using that as the factor. It will be lower than flywheel hp, but not as far off as some new ratings. Even the LS1 and LT1 won't make more an a couple rwhp more (if any, that varies car-to-car) than the factory rating. They will a little with some tuning, but not like they come from the dealer. Nothing complicated about that. Heck, bring 'em to Tulsa and I'll do it for free.

[Jack Matyas]

[QUOTE=Bruce Noland;177128]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Jack,
It takes a little time to develop remedies for situations like this one. We have more options than you offer. There is a fully developed thrid option that will soon make it's way through the proper channels. It has taken 14 months to put it together with very little expense. You'll probably hear about it by the end of the year.

Bruce -- Are you sure you're not really a politician - your answer has more questions than answers ........1) how much time ?
2) who is we ?
3) what other options ?
4) what is the fully developed third option ?
5) what are the proper channels ?
6) how much is very little expense ?
7) when if not by the end of year ?
Sales are slow this afternoon -- could you tell ? Inquiring minds want to know .................Omnipotent ??? I'll let it go ..............

[Bruce Noland]

Jack,
A group of racers got together to ask a few questions. There are several other options still on the table. None of them require serious cash investments. We are very serious about this venture. That's all for now.

[Greg Hill]

For 50 years stock eliminator meant a car generally available to the public that was street legal. It meant a motor available in that particular car that you could drive home. Why were Ford and Chrysler afraid to race the cars they sell at their dealers? I'll tell you why, they are a bunch of whores. They along with NHRA have used and abused their power to take unfair advantage of all of us. There are two problems with this whole deal. First all of the motors are grossly under factored. Second they never built these cars as street cars. In fact you can't even order a mustang with the crate motors. Billy, I realize I' probably beating a dead horse but I just can't go quietly into the night.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Greg Hill

For 50 years stock eliminator meant a car generally available to the public that was street legal.

It hasn't been that way for quite some time now.

First all of the motors are grossly under factored.

I feel that this comment is true. What about all the 1000' passes all the other guys have been making for years now? Is that bad too? How do you factor anything that isn't run wide open and then goes through the barn?

Second they never built these cars as street cars.

With all the stuff that the Feds make the factories install for safety, emissions, etc. I think that these cars are a move in the right direction. It is a crying shame to tear down a brand new car and take half of it to the dump. Especially since Stock hasn't been "stock" for a lot of years. I do wish that they had been built with production motors.

....probably beating a dead horse....

I feel the same way!

[Billy Nees]

Greg, I truely do feel for any racer with an "old" combo right now. Being the "bottom feeder" that I am I won't have to deal with any new combos as they will probably never build anything again that will fit R,T,U,or V. What DOES keep me going is the fact that I still think that I might just have a win or two left in these old eyes and the thought of beating up on that new stuff. I would hope that you won't go "quietly into the night". I know I'll be the guy going howling, screaming, gouging and biting!

[Toby Lang]

Jeff,

You keep mentioning your trucks.

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Let me give you folks a little history. I used to race trucks in stock eliminator. When I got into my trucks I could run 1.60 under anywhere and faster on occasion. I qualified No 1 at Indy and anywhere. Over the years, I didn't change, my trucks didn't change, my motor didnt change, and the last two years in Indy, I could not qualify with my trucks.

I did a little research and the last time you ran a truck at Indy was in 2002. You qualified 58th at 1.011 under the index. That is very far from not qualifying. I'm sure there are a ton of people who would love to be able to qualify in the top half of the field at Indy.

Could you please post a link to where you didn't qualify at Indy those last two years? Because I can't find it.

Also, I believe you sold your truck to Kelly Thomas, correct? Kelly qualified at .947 under the index last year at Mission. Granted, it's not 1.95 under the old indexes, but it's still pretty good.


-Toby