oil retention devices - Page 4

Ryan Horensky · 03-30-2010, 04:03 PM

Just curious as to the cost of an oil retention device? Plus what is everybody going to do....send their cars out and have a custom made diaper installed. It's not like this is going to be a one size fits all deal. Wonder how much that would cost? I'm not exactly thrilled about this proposed rule change.

james schaechter · 03-30-2010, 04:12 PM

I would love to see the data as well. I just get the feeling that this requirement is based on a SWAG and not any real data. If I made diapers, I too would want this, but I don't. This sounds like the government. Someone made a decision that impacts a lot of people in a negative fashion, but there are unintended consequences that NHRA has not considered. Now maybe I am jumping the gun since NHRA has not put out anything on their site. If they have some data that makes a logical case, I would just be quiet and order mine too.

I just have a hard time remembering an oil down for a stocker that held up the show. I mean, we could add a lot of safety equipment to stockers that sound good in theory but won't make a difference. Why this one?

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Originally Posted by Evan Smith

I would like to see the data. How many S/SS cars oil down the track over the course of a year? If the NHRA can show us a real problem exists, then it should be considered, if not, don't institute it.

No one wants to spend money on stuff like this, or go through the trouble of fitting a new part that might be a pain in the ***, but at least take a look at the whole picture before being so negative. Most professional drivers hated the idea of the HANS at first, as it was cumbersome, however those who have used one (or a similar device), wouldn't get in a car without one now.

At least look at the data before crying foul. A rule like this could save your car and/or your life, or that of your competitor, but most of you will never blow and engine or crash so who cares, right?

Another solution would be a type of catch pan, which I believe is also legal. This would also improve aerodynamics and performance.

Woodro Josey · 03-30-2010, 04:34 PM

OK Guys, now is the time to be Heard, write you letters to NHRA with good logical reasons that this will be a hardship on Stock and Superstock racers as a whole and not just your combination. There are some that this would not be to hard on and others that this would just about be impossible, especialy with out a lot of cutting up of Frames, headers, and steering.
I would also like to see the data of downtime for these classes from NHRA, i know its all about TV time but is it the Stock/Superstock cars that are creating this problem? You have to realize these guys making these decisions, know nothing about a Stock/Superstock car!

art leong · 03-30-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

OK Guys, now is the time to be Heard, write you letters to NHRA with good logical reasons that this will be a hardship on Stock and Superstock racers as a whole and not just your combination. There are some that this would not be to hard on and others that this would just about be impossible, especialy with out a lot of cutting up of Frames, headers, and steering.
I would also like to see the data of downtime for these classes from NHRA, i know its all about TV time but is it the Stock/Superstock cars that are creating this problem? You have to realize some of these guys making these decisions, know nothing about a Stock/Superstock car!

I agree with you Woodro except for the use of the word "some" in the last sentence.

Woodro Josey · 03-30-2010, 04:57 PM

OK Art, read again!

Billy Pires · 03-30-2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan Horensky

Just curious as to the cost of an oil retention device? Plus what is everybody going to do....send their cars out and have a custom made diaper installed. It's not like this is going to be a one size fits all deal. Wonder how much that would cost? I'm not exactly thrilled about this proposed rule change.

Ryan save your coin becuase after this passes what do you think will be next? mandatory HANS DEVICE probably or maybe fire proof gloves and boots to match my jacket and pants.

7820 · 03-30-2010, 05:48 PM

Guys...bracket racers in some divisions has been doing this for two or so years. There are lots of bracket racers with stock front sub frames that have addressed every issue brought up in this thread and moved forward and installed diapers. It is not that big of a deal....been there done it.

david ring · 03-30-2010, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Al Kuehl

I had the oppertunity to talk to a racer that ran a Super Mod type car in Comp this last winter he told me what a pain in the a-- the diaper was they are building a new car and the new car has a tray in it rather than a diaper .!
Al Kuehl
Super Stopck 5608
Stock 5608

I don't know about the possibility of trays in stockers, but we use trays in my comp car and my partner's dragster.

Jim Wahl · 03-30-2010, 08:55 PM

I'm a MoPar guy. I would like to see how a diaper is going to be effective with the A or F body with the tie rod through the oil pan? With all due respect to you Comp and bracket guys who say " It can't be too hard to make them work", you don't know what you are talking about! Comp and Bracket cars don't have to retain STOCK suspensions and steering. There would have to be major rules changed and lots of money passed around to allow aftermarket K frames and motor plates and rear steer rack and pinion steering! And a tray on a Stocker? Nope. I also want to see the statistics that support the need for instituting this rule. Just because the Super .90 cars have to have them is not good enough reason. The Pro cars have had to have them for several years now. How is that working out? Pretty much stopped all the oil downs didn't it? NOT! Call and write your Division offices and Glendora and voice your opinion on this. If we all just sit back and do nothing this will become a rule and once again we will be enhanced! Jim

Alex Denysenko · 03-30-2010, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by james schaechter

If I made diapers, I too would want this, but I don't.

Now this I can understand.

Hey NHRA,
We sell Cal-Tracs, can you please make them mandatory on all leaf spring cars in competition?

T/S, T/D, S/C, and S/G oil the track 25 to 1 over S/SS.

Anyone who attends more than 5 NHRA/IHRA races knows that.

03-30-2010, 04:03 PM	#31
Ryan Horensky Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sugarloaf,PA Posts: 201 Likes: 19 Liked 109 Times in 18 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Just curious as to the cost of an oil retention device? Plus what is everybody going to do....send their cars out and have a custom made diaper installed. It's not like this is going to be a one size fits all deal. Wonder how much that would cost? I'm not exactly thrilled about this proposed rule change.

03-30-2010, 04:34 PM	#33
Woodro Josey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: oil retention devices OK Guys, now is the time to be Heard, write you letters to NHRA with good logical reasons that this will be a hardship on Stock and Superstock racers as a whole and not just your combination. There are some that this would not be to hard on and others that this would just about be impossible, especialy with out a lot of cutting up of Frames, headers, and steering. I would also like to see the data of downtime for these classes from NHRA, i know its all about TV time but is it the Stock/Superstock cars that are creating this problem? You have to realize these guys making these decisions, know nothing about a Stock/Superstock car! __________________ Woodro Josey 2002 STK Last edited by Woodro Josey; 03-30-2010 at 04:57 PM.

03-30-2010, 04:57 PM	#35
Woodro Josey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: oil retention devices OK Art, read again! __________________ Woodro Josey 2002 STK

03-30-2010, 05:48 PM	#37
7820 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 201 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Guys...bracket racers in some divisions has been doing this for two or so years. There are lots of bracket racers with stock front sub frames that have addressed every issue brought up in this thread and moved forward and installed diapers. It is not that big of a deal....been there done it.

03-30-2010, 08:55 PM	#39
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: oil retention devices I'm a MoPar guy. I would like to see how a diaper is going to be effective with the A or F body with the tie rod through the oil pan? With all due respect to you Comp and bracket guys who say " It can't be too hard to make them work", you don't know what you are talking about! Comp and Bracket cars don't have to retain STOCK suspensions and steering. There would have to be major rules changed and lots of money passed around to allow aftermarket K frames and motor plates and rear steer rack and pinion steering! And a tray on a Stocker? Nope. I also want to see the statistics that support the need for instituting this rule. Just because the Super .90 cars have to have them is not good enough reason. The Pro cars have had to have them for several years now. How is that working out? Pretty much stopped all the oil downs didn't it? NOT! Call and write your Division offices and Glendora and voice your opinion on this. If we all just sit back and do nothing this will become a rule and once again we will be enhanced! Jim __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.