oil retention devices - Page 6

Brian Oakes · 03-31-2010, 11:28 AM

Well i mas well speak me piece, i have to say FJ had good points and he should know, he has build enough of these cars. in my case i also have about 1/8 of a inch between pan and subframe, oil pan is 4" past the flywheel, draglink is about 3/16 under the oil pan, headers are right there also, Ken i will not be at the open, but i will be at Div. please you and Bob come by my trailer, i will put it on the lift for ya's and i have my spare in the trailer also you can look at, i have a idea what it would cost, ya mas well let us use a dry sump system, i seen the 2 rods come out of a ford a few years ago and not one drop of oil on the track, i have even been looking at putting a pan under the car, but all i can see is alum. going everywhere when it come down front a uncontrolled wheel stand, i know too many cars with these big pans that will be a problem, another question how ya going to drain the oil between rds, to pick it up, just look at Charlotte Stock and Super Stock final's both heads up, i have spend last year 1600.00 on a chiller, just to be faster cooling and also keeping any water for getting on the track, aka for ice cubes, just spend $750.00 on a Chute, when is this stuff all going to stop, i think i was crazy buying another Stocker last week. Guys and Gals i hope all these inputs help solve this problems

Dave Ficacci · 03-31-2010, 11:46 AM

How often will NHRA pull these diapers on a stocker to ensure racers arent hidng fabricated pans with kick outs, etc...

SS3963 · 03-31-2010, 11:59 AM

They shouldn't really worry about Stock or SuperStock cars seen as we only run 2 quarts anyways. An alcohol funny car sprays more raw fuel and oil out the pipes in a burnout than we do in an engine failure.

Jim Wahl · 03-31-2010, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 7820

Every car at the Division 7 ET finals in 2009 that was quicker than 10.00 and faster than 135 MPH was required to have a diaper. I would think there were a number of cars in Pro that fit that requirement and had stock front sub frames as well as a few in Super Pro.

Yes, I'm sure there were a few just as there are a few Stockers and Super Stockers that diapers will fit with little problems, however the majority of these cars DO have insurmountable fitting issues! Jim

Ed Fernandez · 03-31-2010, 12:21 PM

Due to the fact of possible oil contamination will there be a 2 year rule for replacement,
like belts?
Maybe NHRA will partner with Safety Kleen to snoop inside these diapers and make an environmental issue and causing further cost to the racer.
Only speculation but you never know,

david ring · 03-31-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

I With all due respect to you Comp and bracket guys who say " It can't be too hard to make them work", you don't know what you are talking about! Comp and Bracket cars don't have to retain STOCK suspensions and steering.

Jim,

I asked the question about trays for a reason-Comp was originally ordered to have diapers and those were going to be a hassle, in part because of the dry sump systems we have on our cars. Trays became an alternative and they proved to be a better solution. I was asking if trays are a possibility, not saying they are easy. For us they were a better alternative than diapers, which I why I asked IF they could work for you as well. I did not say they could work for you.

Jim Wahl · 03-31-2010, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by david ring

Jim,

I asked the question about trays for a reason-Comp was originally ordered to have diapers and those were going to be a hassle, in part because of the dry sump systems we have on our cars. Trays became an alternative and they proved to be a better solution. I was asking if trays are a possibility, not saying they are easy. For us they were a better alternative than diapers, which I why I asked IF they could work for you as well. I did not say they could work for you.

Ok Dave, sorry if I came of as hostile. Nothing personal believe me. I, as others on here, are very adamant about this. When I wrote NHRA about this I told them to do their homework and they would see why this is a bad idea. Jim

Wade Mahaffey · 03-31-2010, 02:22 PM

With all due respect to all racers, I will be using a retension device on my 60 Corvette. I have no clearence and/or fit issues. The reason I'm using it is to protect my investment. I build my own cars, and spend a huge amount of man hours to build the finest car with maximum attention to detail. If $160 dollars keeps oil off of my tires, and keeps me from destroying my car AND/OR SOMEONE ELSES CAR, I would buy a new one each season. I'm sure anyone who has torn up their racer and/or themselves after oiling the tires would have loved to have had the device in place. It's a real bitch when your sittin in the water and it's 90 degrees in the shade, and the guy just oiled 1000 feet of race track/shutdown area. Your in there sweatin your *** off, Your pissed off, your B/P is boiling, your emotion is taking over (your "A" game just became a "B" or 'C" game at best). Think about it, you'll have a year to get it done anyway!

MAKE YOUR CAR AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE!....YOU OWE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.... AND YOUR FELLOW COMPETITORS

Wade Mahaffey

Ed Fernandez · 03-31-2010, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Wade Mahaffey

With all due respect to all racers, I will be using a retension device on my 60 Corvette. I have no clearence and/or fit issues. The reason I'm using it is to protect my investment. I build my own cars, and spend a huge amount of man hours to build the finest car with maximum attention to detail. If $160 dollars keeps oil off of my tires, and keeps me from destroying my car AND/OR SOMEONE ELSES CAR, I would buy a new one each season. I'm sure anyone who has torn up their racer and/or themselves after oiling the tires would have loved to have had the device in place. It's a real bitch when your sittin in the water and it's 90 degrees in the shade, and the guy just oiled 1000 feet of race track/shutdown area. Your in there sweatin your *** off, Your pissed off, your B/P is boiling, your emotion is taking over (your "A" game just became a "B" or 'C" game at best). Think about it, you'll have a year to get it done anyway!

MAKE YOUR CAR AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE!....YOU OWE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.... AND YOUR FELLOW COMPETITORS

Wade Mahaffey

Wade,in the case of S/SS cars the diaper is going to slow down the rate that the oil in the pan is cooled down.Super catogoriy cars are set up a few hundreths soft as you already know.

Jim Wahl · 03-31-2010, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wade Mahaffey

With all due respect to all racers, I will be using a retension device on my 60 Corvette. I have no clearence and/or fit issues. The reason I'm using it is to protect my investment. I build my own cars, and spend a huge amount of man hours to build the finest car with maximum attention to detail. If $160 dollars keeps oil off of my tires, and keeps me from destroying my car AND/OR SOMEONE ELSES CAR, I would buy a new one each season. I'm sure anyone who has torn up their racer and/or themselves after oiling the tires would have loved to have had the device in place. It's a real bitch when your sittin in the water and it's 90 degrees in the shade, and the guy just oiled 1000 feet of race track/shutdown area. Your in there sweatin your *** off, Your pissed off, your B/P is boiling, your emotion is taking over (your "A" game just became a "B" or 'C" game at best). Think about it, you'll have a year to get it done anyway!

MAKE YOUR CAR AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE!....YOU OWE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.... AND YOUR FELLOW COMPETITORS

Wade Mahaffey

With all due respect Wade..... you drive a tube chassis, no clearance issue what? Roadster? Corvette? Super Comp/ Super Gas what? Jim

03-31-2010, 11:28 AM	#51
Brian Oakes Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 571 Likes: 2 Liked 427 Times in 116 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Well i mas well speak me piece, i have to say FJ had good points and he should know, he has build enough of these cars. in my case i also have about 1/8 of a inch between pan and subframe, oil pan is 4" past the flywheel, draglink is about 3/16 under the oil pan, headers are right there also, Ken i will not be at the open, but i will be at Div. please you and Bob come by my trailer, i will put it on the lift for ya's and i have my spare in the trailer also you can look at, i have a idea what it would cost, ya mas well let us use a dry sump system, i seen the 2 rods come out of a ford a few years ago and not one drop of oil on the track, i have even been looking at putting a pan under the car, but all i can see is alum. going everywhere when it come down front a uncontrolled wheel stand, i know too many cars with these big pans that will be a problem, another question how ya going to drain the oil between rds, to pick it up, just look at Charlotte Stock and Super Stock final's both heads up, i have spend last year 1600.00 on a chiller, just to be faster cooling and also keeping any water for getting on the track, aka for ice cubes, just spend $750.00 on a Chute, when is this stuff all going to stop, i think i was crazy buying another Stocker last week. Guys and Gals i hope all these inputs help solve this problems

03-31-2010, 11:46 AM	#52
Dave Ficacci Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Jersey Posts: 372 Likes: 43 Liked 98 Times in 23 Posts	Re: oil retention devices How often will NHRA pull these diapers on a stocker to ensure racers arent hidng fabricated pans with kick outs, etc... __________________ Dave Ficacci 1013 STK 1170 SS

03-31-2010, 11:59 AM	#53
SS3963 Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: oil retention devices They shouldn't really worry about Stock or SuperStock cars seen as we only run 2 quarts anyways. An alcohol funny car sprays more raw fuel and oil out the pipes in a burnout than we do in an engine failure.

03-31-2010, 12:21 PM	#55
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: oil retention devices Due to the fact of possible oil contamination will there be a 2 year rule for replacement, like belts? Maybe NHRA will partner with Safety Kleen to snoop inside these diapers and make an environmental issue and causing further cost to the racer. Only speculation but you never know, __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

03-31-2010, 02:22 PM	#58
Wade Mahaffey Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 581 Likes: 0 Liked 17 Times in 7 Posts	Re: oil retention devices With all due respect to all racers, I will be using a retension device on my 60 Corvette. I have no clearence and/or fit issues. The reason I'm using it is to protect my investment. I build my own cars, and spend a huge amount of man hours to build the finest car with maximum attention to detail. If $160 dollars keeps oil off of my tires, and keeps me from destroying my car AND/OR SOMEONE ELSES CAR, I would buy a new one each season. I'm sure anyone who has torn up their racer and/or themselves after oiling the tires would have loved to have had the device in place. It's a real bitch when your sittin in the water and it's 90 degrees in the shade, and the guy just oiled 1000 feet of race track/shutdown area. Your in there sweatin your *** off, Your pissed off, your B/P is boiling, your emotion is taking over (your "A" game just became a "B" or 'C" game at best). Think about it, you'll have a year to get it done anyway! MAKE YOUR CAR AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE!....YOU OWE IT TO YOUR FAMILY.... AND YOUR FELLOW COMPETITORS Wade Mahaffey