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[art leong]

I believe a lot of this non titleing/non street driving. Has to do with the federal governments C.A.F.E. standards. and safety requirements

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by art leong

I believe a lot of this non titleing/non street driving. Has to do with the federal governments C.A.F.E. standards. and safety requirements

BINGO Art....people seem to be dim on this bitching about "Ooooooooooohhh I cant go into the dealer and buy one" Bullshiite, we did EXACTLY that.

And YES when the application was filled out a discalimer and a waiver of liablity , never to drive it on the street or title it.

Its a LIABLITY issue and an safety issue SIMPLE, those things didnt EXIST when the Tbolts and Lightweights were sold.

People apparently choose to ignore this in order to facilitate their position these cars "Arent available to the general public"

Nonsense utter nonsene.........

If CAFE and Safety standards had been in place in the 60's those cars would have never happened.

They were PURPOSE built race cars , now the same thing is happening but in order to avoid the army or trial lawyers and people waiting to piss on someones parade, NOW somehow its different ?

Bike, "Works" bikes are sold and brought into this country all the time and same thing, Honda and Aprilla both have gone after people who title them for street use as "Grey Market" in some cases .... Why well in the case of Honda, some dip**** street titles a race bike, ran it out an got killed on it , the FAMILY sued Honda ! Saying the bike didnt have adequate brakes ! So Honda decided that was enough so to prove that they were NOT in agreement the bikes should be used on the street they started going after people who were doing it just to have a record of not being "condoning" the practice.

What about Doug Duells Drag Pak ? It has a title ? Its as "street legal" as any stock elim car ? Is that one ok X-Tech ?

[Jack McCarthy]

"this vehicle was never produced and therefore ford (mopar) has absolutely no responibilities whatsoever towards the recipient of this vehicle. furthermore we take no responsibility express or implied for : repeated protests by fellow competitors, anti social behavior from fellow racers, and or violent attacks, physical or verbal, of racers or internet lurkers. also purchaser is hereby advised that the 1/4 mile performance will be in excess of any previous a-aa/s vehicle and driver should be prepared for excess g-forces and doors being blown off competitors vehicles"

captain jack

thanks billy that was fun !

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

"this vehicle was never produced and therefore ford (mopar) has absolutely no responibilities whatsoever towards the recipient of this vehicle. furthermore we take no responsibility express or implied for : repeated protests by fellow competitors, anti social behavior from fellow racers, and or violent attacks, physical or verbal, of racers or internet lurkers. also purchaser is hereby advised that the 1/4 mile performance will be in excess of any previous a-aa/s vehicle and driver should be prepared for excess g-forces and doors being blown off competitors vehicles"

captain jack

thanks billy that was fun !

You forgot H/S and H/SA plus a few more classes so they dont have to run each other heads up and get "ENHANCED" when enough of them get finished !

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by drooze

BINGO Art....people seem to be dim on this bitching about "Ooooooooooohhh I cant go into the dealer and buy one" Bullshiite, we did EXACTLY that.

And YES when the application was filled out a discalimer and a waiver of liablity , never to drive it on the street or title it.

Its a LIABLITY issue and an safety issue SIMPLE, those things didnt EXIST when the Tbolts and Lightweights were sold.

People apparently choose to ignore this in order to facilitate their position these cars "Arent available to the general public"

Nonsense utter nonsene.........

If CAFE and Safety standards had been in place in the 60's those cars would have never happened.

They were PURPOSE built race cars , now the same thing is happening but in order to avoid the army or trial lawyers and people waiting to piss on someones parade, NOW somehow its different ?

Bike, "Works" bikes are sold and brought into this country all the time and same thing, Honda and Aprilla both have gone after people who title them for street use as "Grey Market" in some cases .... Why well in the case of Honda, some dip**** street titles a race bike, ran it out an got killed on it , the FAMILY sued Honda ! Saying the bike didnt have adequate brakes ! So Honda decided that was enough so to prove that they were NOT in agreement the bikes should be used on the street they started going after people who were doing it just to have a record of not being "condoning" the practice.

What about Doug Duells Drag Pak ? It has a title ? Its as "street legal" as any stock elim car ? Is that one ok X-Tech ?

NO.....That engine is not avaliable in a showroom stock car even though he built the car from a "real one". Can you say NHRA CRATE MOTERED CAR ! At least IHRA seperates the crate motored cars from the other stockers into thier own class.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by drooze

What about Doug Duells Drag Pak ? It has a title ? Its as "street legal" as any stock elim car ? Is that one ok X-Tech ?

It was my understanding that Doug's car is in fact NOT a Drag Pack car, he couldn't get one, and had to build his own. That was the story that went around.

[Alan Roehrich]

If NHRA wanted to allow racers to get around the weight added by safety and emissions standards, they could have created an adjustment, either a set weight, or a percentage of the total weight, to be removed from the shipping weight.

And purpose built race cars were kept out of Stock, at least traditionally, for a reason. We're seeing the reason right now. It sure as Hell didn't have anything to do with federal safety or emissions mandates.

[art leong]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

If NHRA wanted to allow racers to get around the weight added by safety and emissions standards, they could have created an adjustment, either a set weight, or a percentage of the total weight, to be removed from the shipping weight.

And purpose built race cars were kept out of Stock, at least traditionally, for a reason. We're seeing the reason right now. It sure as Hell didn't have anything to do with federal safety or emissions mandates.

That is why they can't be titled and driven on the street. It has nothing to do with racing. It has to do with regulations and liabilities.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by art leong

That is why they can't be titled and driven on the street. It has nothing to do with racing. It has to do with regulations and liabilities.

The bold text is exactly the problem. It changes the basic principle of Stock Eliminator that goes back decades. It creates a loophole you can drive Mike Edwards' Pro Stock car through. The "new" rule about what is/can be "accepted" in Stock is written in B.S. "legalese" so that NHRA can come in and run over every current participant any time they want (read: any time they can get paid off to do it).

And it has everything to do with "racing". Considering it allows NHRA to decide who has paid them (NHRA) enough money to secure an insurmountable advantage over their competition. Basically what they've created is an extortion racket. They can say to any OEM "if you want to get a killer ringer approved for Stock, pay up."

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Alan, Ive asked this before (not of you) and everyone seemed to evade answering it.

Ok here are some "Facts"

Cars are not titled at the factory and you can depending on state even purchase one from a dealer WITHOUT having it titled.

So, next I can LEGALLY Title this vehicle in the State of Ohio.

So let me ask, If I do legally title this car and it is "street legal" and Emission Legal (Many counties in Ohio do NOT have emission requirments)

Then am I ok in your eyes ?

Hmm maybe there a business gambit for me, bring me your DP and I will get it titled and liscenced LEGALLY in the State of Ohio.

So say all 100 Dp owners do that ? Or at LEAST have the opportunity to do that, (we all know many racers whos cars arent or werent ever titled)

So say they have the ability or the opportunity to do that , and some do some dont just like the other Stockers.....

Then in your mind are the cars 100% fine or are your reasons not really all inclusive of the Title issues ?

I plan to do this, maybe before Norwalk I will....then I can post a copy of the title in the window for everyone to see....

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The bold text is exactly the problem. It changes the basic principle of Stock Eliminator that goes back decades. It creates a loophole you can drive Mike Edwards' Pro Stock car through. The "new" rule about what is/can be "accepted" in Stock is written in B.S. "legalese" so that NHRA can come in and run over every current participant any time they want (read: any time they can get paid off to do it).

And it has everything to do with "racing". Considering it allows NHRA to decide who has paid them (NHRA) enough money to secure an insurmountable advantage over their competition. Basically what they've created is an extortion racket. They can say to any OEM "if you want to get a killer ringer approved for Stock, pay up."