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Originally Posted by novassdude

Guy’s I do not think anyone hates either of you. You are just playing by NHRA’s rules it is there rules that are the problem. They just change them to suit themselves.
I know nothing about the new Challenger or Mustang as far as how the throttle works. Are you telling me there is no way they could convert it to a manual throttle?

Ford Racing has manual throttle bodies in the pipeline for the CJ's. I can't say for sure when they will be available. I will be glad to check if anyone is interested.
Roland

[SS Engine Guy]

Jeff, Drooze and any of the new Ford guys....... Don't ever think that I think of you as a "bad guy" or taking advantage in any way. As has been said before, you didn't make the rules you are just playing by them.

Now as for the santioning bodies rating combos like this. That was a bad move. It shows a total lack of respect for long time participants that have beat their combos to death in order to be in the top half in class run offs. These certainly aren't the only underfactored combos that come to mind. I just feel that "class fast" should be the result of a well researched combo, lots of R&D, 5 to 15 converters, 3 to 5 rear gear and tire diameter experiments, hundreds of t&t passes,etc.... not the numbers submitted and approved on a piece of paper. Thats what makes this challenging in my eyes. 25% car and 25% driver and 25% engine tuner and 25%chassis tuner.


De-valuing property of customers is not a good way to sustain customer loyalty.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

Thats what makes this challenging in my eyes. 25% car and 25% driver and 25% engine tuner and 25%chassis tuner.


De-valuing property of customers is not a good way to sustain customer loyalty.

I dont disagree with anything you said, none of it, in our case there is a "race" to win, but its really a sideline for you and other class racers, WE NHR are up against other teams with the new cars...simple....

As far as 25/25/25/25 In our case thats all us, the only thing mechanically we didnt do 100% ourselves is the Tranny. The rest, rear setup, engine, suspension items, all us, tune us.

Im happy with the time "Out of the box" but if I cant get it into the 9's in short order Ill be dissapointed. Thats a personal goal. Something I have set for myself.

I do believe its easier to make a fast car consistent running it slow, so to those ends I want it as fast as possible. Ill dial back from there. Also I subscribe to the philosophy you can make it fast, or reliable you cannot do both equally as well. So dialing a fast car back buys me some of that reliablity back. These are lessons earned over a lifetime of wrenching 30 years solo, when I was 8 or 9 the old man threw a new Chiltons bike manual on the counter and said go at it....BEST Present he ever bought me.

Customer base ? Well I agree with that statment, but it seems to me , and I may be wrong, its making a subsidiser happy. KNOWING The customers are participating in a monopoly of sorts. BUT It has the potential to also bring in much needed new blood, not us DP or CJ people but others who the older Stockers have no appeal to.

I guess I agree from a personal perspective.

From a business perspective, well I can see the NHRA's thing too.

[Billy Nees]

So Drooze, I'm waiting with my slippers and popcorn! When does the TV series start? I can see it now "Everyone Digs Drooze" brought to you by the New, New Chrysler Corp..

[KEN BUGAJ]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

I don't think there will be a new car with the conventional 'drive by wire' throttle system. That was one of the problems in developing the new cars for racing. Just ask Toyota. NHRA wants a return spring of some kind. At least that was a problem with the Mopars. I think the throttle body on the stock 6.1 is as big or bigger than the DP. And since we want to rehash some of this stuff, where was the concern for my old Six Pack car when the 396's and the Fords ran 5 tenths ahead of me. Where was the sympathy? Some of yall are a little one sided. I got a better combination now and I'm a bad guy now. Didn't realize I had changed with the new car. Just goes to show ya.

Jeff,
It's not you, drooze or anyone else.
It's the HP rating, You know I'll have a Beer & BBQ with you anytime. lol
Ken

Tv series starts when I get my new live streaming internet camera on sprint towers, Of course it will be on my own site So, sometime in June I will be running and ready to do more events with much better content. Stock eliminator deserves a tv show and or it's own channel of streaming video and audio, I intend to make it happen, Cheers!

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

Jeff, Drooze and any of the new Ford guys....... Don't ever think that I think of you as a "bad guy" or taking advantage in any way. As has been said before, you didn't make the rules you are just playing by them.

Now as for the santioning bodies rating combos like this. That was a bad move. It shows a total lack of respect for long time participants that have beat their combos to death in order to be in the top half in class run offs. These certainly aren't the only underfactored combos that come to mind. I just feel that "class fast" should be the result of a well researched combo, lots of R&D, 5 to 15 converters, 3 to 5 rear gear and tire diameter experiments, hundreds of t&t passes,etc.... not the numbers submitted and approved on a piece of paper. Thats what makes this challenging in my eyes. 25% car and 25% driver and 25% engine tuner and 25%chassis tuner.


De-valuing property of customers is not a good way to sustain customer loyalty.

Well stated.

[Chris "drooze" Wertman]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

So Drooze, I'm waiting with my slippers and popcorn! When does the TV series start? I can see it now "Everyone Digs Drooze" brought to you by the New, New Chrysler Corp..

Lol....I dono if thats gonna happen, I dont know that I have time, I have the contacts and floated the idea, they like it , but getting schedules together for pilot footage to pitch is tough......

So in the interm , when we can, we are going to webcast from the shop 24/7 .....

Something I can do with no more effort than a half an hour and if people can see what were doing and saying and can suggest something were doing wrong or learn something, well....its something Ive been kicking around.

Whadda ya think ? Besides if you think me making a debut in Stock Eliminator cause some ripples wait till August....Thatll be a friggin Tsunami

Stay Tuned.

[W J]

I patiently await either a DP stocker, or a CJ stocker, or super stocker to win a eliminator title at a 2010 National event, or even Divisonal event.....maybe I've missed something here, but haven't the older combos/seasoned drivers dominated grabbing the Wallys so far this season? I know the newest car combos are putting down some smokin' et's and speeds, but the time tested combos are the ones still bringing home the bacon....time will tell, and when a new car wins it all, (and it should happen sometime real soon) the fur should really start to fly around here...Remember, some of those older /fastest combos are still way under-rated as well.....so maybe it's time to re-factor everything. Just another .02 cents worth..... WJ

[treessavoy]

Throughout NHRA history guys have combed the classification guide and come up with killer combo's and I never heard this much fuss.

If Drooze had found some strange FWD combo that bombed the index you would head compliments from everyone on his choice and hard work.

Personally I think the DP's and Mustang's belong in SS but they aren't. Mandie (who I think is the brains of the team) and Drooze have made a good choice and obviously put in a lot of work and they deserve what they accomplished.

JimR