Congrats to Charles Blossom

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Still doesn't make it right that the Blind Mice in Glendora let runaway combos like this keep making a sham of "their" AHFS.
Remember when you're GTO was the hot lick in E?I guess the DP's took care of that.

Yes Ed its a sham -- but should he have had horsepower put on before he raced it ?And yes again - my GTO was the hot lick in E -- we all get our 15 minutes -- well maybe not all of us -- have you had yours ?

Dwight -- Justice ? Yes I raced under and worked for "Farmer" and i'll take the AFHS any day before I do that again . That dartboard stuff that was talked about did have some truth to it ............very little but ............

[Mike Schwartz]

Just lost in 2nd round. 8-inch MOV!

Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed-----Car#-Driver(Opp'nt)-RT-----ET-- Speed
5508 Charles Blossom 392 J. T. Shouse
E2 0.112 13.733 98.95 ****WINNER**** 0.109 10.512 116.90
DF/S Dial: 13.71 (+/-): 0.023 C/S Dial: 10.49 (+/-): 0.022
Prior rounds:
E1 (J Holzman ) 0.067 13.846 0.096 (J Beattie J) 0.078 10.465 -0.095
Qualified: #1 13.774 -1.826 #97 10.543 -0.807

Ah, the beauty of stock. We're looking at a PT Cruiser convertible going up against a late model Corvette.

Cubic inches wins this one over manifold pressure. J. T. Shouse's MOV: 0.0047 seconds (approximately 8 inches).

[Dwight Southerland]

Guys, I am not advocating a return to the days of Farmer (although it was more entertaining). I would just like to see an attempt at something better than what is going on now. I think the AHFS is an attempt to come up with something that is "twitless", since NHRA seems to have a goal to turn a sport into an entertainment platform. Continuing to allow a different kind of "twitness" to erode the hope of competition based on performance will surely destroy what class racing is all about.

[BOBBY BAKER]

Artie: "The dart board method" LMAO Sad part is, that comment is spot on......

[art leong]

Originally Posted by BOBBY BAKER

Artie: "The dart board method" LMAO Sad part is, that comment is spot on......

Yes Bobby I believe they hit your fathers car because of his wheel stands and beautiful paint.
And there was and a lot of jealousy by the officials back then. I remember when an NHRA "high up" told us we almost got factored because they were tired of us winning. Nothing to do with going fast.
The guy shielded us but said he didn't know if he could do it again.
Then there was the 3 round final at Seattle in 1980.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Yes Ed its a sham -- but should he have had horsepower put on before he raced it ?And yes again - my GTO was the hot lick in E -- we all get our 15 minutes -- well maybe not all of us -- have you had yours ?

Dwight -- Justice ? Yes I raced under and worked for "Farmer" and i'll take the AFHS any day before I do that again . That dartboard stuff that was talked about did have some truth to it ............very little but ............

In todays world probably not.Someone would cry "profiling".But in light of his previous
combo,don't you think NHRA would be a bit curious about such an odd ball combo?
It all comes back to them not wanting to do their job and make hp ratings somewhat
close to reality.
I haven't had my 15 minutes,yet.I have time,I'm still young.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

In todays world probably not.Someone would cry "profiling".But in light of his previous
combo,don't you think NHRA would be a bit curious about such an odd ball combo?
It all comes back to them not wanting to do their job and make hp ratings somewhat
close to reality.

OK Ed -- Entertain us -- if you were the "Head Honcho" in the NHRA Tech Dept and this combo came across your desk - what's your next move ? Remember , just because his last combo may have been killer should you punish him from the Git-Go ?

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

OK Ed -- Entertain us -- if you were the "Head Honcho" in the NHRA Tech Dept and this combo came across your desk - what's your next move ? Remember , just because his last combo may have been killer should you punish him from the Git-Go ?

Nothing.Until he goes STUPID fast.Then the WHOLE drive train gets torn and measured,weighed and analyzed.Next,I'm sure NHRA can find,hire,whatever,someone with knowledge AND common sense to hit the combo with the appropriate HP.After that they follow his runs and see if the HP was appropriate,by checking ET/MPH.Not easy to do but better than doing what they're doing now.
This might make your GTO competitive again with the run away trains called DPs.
Is that entertaining enough?
And the idea of putting these new rockets in some sort of FX classes would go a long ways towards making heads up races more competitive.
Not a direct comparison but look at the Hemi Shootout.I'm not saying Wescott's stuff is bogus but he had over .10 on the field.Most qualified around 8.60-8.65.
If they didn't break their stuff it probably would have been a runaway.Instead it was one of the most enjoyable Shootouts ever.A lot of close races.
Do the same with these new cars in stock and I think you will see the same result.
Jack,in light of your ties to the people in Glendora we'll never agree on a fix,you have your position and I have mine.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Nothing.Until he goes STUPID fast.Then the WHOLE drive train gets torn and measured,weighed and analyzed.Next,I'm sure NHRA can find,hire,whatever,someone with knowledge AND common sense to hit the combo with the appropriate HP.After that they follow his runs and see if the HP was appropriate,by checking ET/MPH.Not easy to do but better than doing what they're doing now.

Ed -- The actions you suggest -- well they are exactly what we had before the AHFS --- committee and all it just didn't work because of the human factor -- whatever we end up with it must be mathmatics and performance based only - because math has no feelings ..............and you may talk about "ties" all you want but i've never been accused of being biased .Ever ...........And Ed -- here's the thing - folks like us who care deeply about what goes on must continue to toss ideas around in order to someday have the problem solved .

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Ed -- The actions you suggest -- well they are exactly what we had before the AHFS --- committee and all it just didn't work because of the human factor -- whatever we end up with it must be mathmatics and performance based only - because math has no feelings ..............and you may talk about "ties" all you want but i've never been accused of being biased .Ever ...........And Ed -- here's the thing - folks like us who care deeply about what goes on must continue to toss ideas around in order to someday have the problem solved .

The mathematical equations they're using now don't work.The system is broken.
I mention the ties because you were dismayed about my comments about the current
director of competition,who you said was associated with you for 40 years.That's fine.But it still doesn't take away from the fact that his,and the others in Glendora,are so far from solving the problems with S/SS in particular and the organization general,that a clean sweep is the only way to save NHRA.The old regime should go into high cost retirement.
As far as disagreeing,the forum is a good place to get these problems straightened out,
if everyone would put hidden agendas aside.
Jack we can still disagree,I still love ya.:>):>)