LT1 engine in a 1998 Firebird?

[Bernie Cunningham]

Ed, where ya been !!!!!

This country, including states, cities, corporations, law practices, big and medium sized businesses and flower shops run like that all the time as a business. At the time, Pontiac was the official car of NHRA, they wanted the new body style on the track but dragged their feet getting the LS1's into the guide, they couldn't come up with the specs fast enough. I know, they really should have. They spent some money instead and brokered a deal for the cars running with an LT1 to use a new front fascia clip that they gave away, I was the last to get one, hence, my stand that there's no performance to be gained with the later model nose, it actually hurts MPH !!!! The body is the same and some small interior pieces are different.
And, YES, I have seen a 98 with an LT1 in it !!!!

To all of the purists, get over it. It makes no difference. Once the LS1's hit the circuit you had more to cry about back then, yea, more than ten years ago !!!!!!!!!!!

Somewhat different scenario to what Alex had alluded to though, with the Shelby deal, no big cam etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. all being performance enhancers, same deal, get over it, there are way bigger fish to fry now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????????????????????????????????
B

[Dgal]

Ed,

You were the one harping on right and wrong. Well, you might as well quote the right person instead of getting your *** in a ringer.

Don

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Bernie Cunningham

Ed, where ya been !!!!!

This country, including states, cities, corporations, law practices, big and medium sized businesses and flower shops run like that all the time as a business. At the time, Pontiac was the official car of NHRA, they wanted the new body style on the track but dragged their feet in getting the LS1's into the guide, they couldn't come up with the specs fast enough. I know, they really should have. They spent some money instead and brokered a deal for the cars running with an LT1 to use a new front fascia clip that they gave away, I was the last to get one, hence, my stand that there's no performance to be gained with the later model nose, it actually hurts MPH !!!! The body is the same and some small interior pieces are different.
And, YES, I have seen a 98 with an LT1 in it !!!!

To all of the purists, get over it. It makes no difference. Once the LS1's hit the circuit you had more to cry about back then, yea, more than ten years ago !!!!!!!!!!!

Somewhat different scenario to what Alex had alluded to though, with the Shelby deal, no big cam etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. all being performance enhancers, same deal, get over it, there are way bigger fish to fry now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ????????????????????????????????????????
B

Hi Bernie,
A few questions.How many LT-1 Firebirds came off the assembly line?Did NHRA get and accept a letter from Pontiac,ala Carroll Shelby,about an LT-1 Firebird?
My point about running a business was how much more are they going to let slide and what's the breaking point before enough racers tell them to go ***** in their hat and just park their cars?
What's your take on this Mr Dgal?
BTW that should be wringer,not ringer.:>):>)

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Hi Bernie,
A few questions.How many LT-1 Firebirds came off the assembly line?Did NHRA get and accept a letter from Pontiac,ala Carroll Shelby,about an LT-1 Firebird?
My point about running a business was how much more are they going to let slide and what's the breaking point before enough racers tell them to go ***** in their hat and just park their cars?
What's your take on this Mr Dgal?
BTW that should be wringer,not ringer.:>):>)

There were several thousand LT1 Firebirds that have been registered with DMVs all across the country. How many 1998, I have only seen one myself, Bernie makes two. I dunno.

The NHRA is far from perfect, but trying to compare the 1998 LT1 to the current Drag Pack/Cobra Jet while holding onto a slippery slope angle is weak. The LT1s existed, were registered, had their own class (FI/FIA), and there was zero performance advantage.

I think a 1998 LT1 can hook on your slope.

Don

[Ed Fernandez]

So,I believe there had to be a specific run off the assembly line to get in the guide?I think it used to be 500.The Mustangs are sliding with 100.I don't know how many drag packs there are.The point being NHRA is whoring themselves blatantly since the late 90s.
I just think it has to stop or S/SS racing is toast,along with the other misguided policies killing the whole sport.

[Dgal]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

So,I believe there had to be a specific run off the assembly line to get in the guide?I think it used to be 500.The Mustangs are sliding with 100.I don't know how many drag packs there are.The point being NHRA is whoring themselves blatantly since the late 90s.
I just think it has to stop or S/SS racing is toast,along with the other misguided policies killing the whole sport.

I thought it was 50, but you may be correct.

[Dgal]

Section 9.1 of the 2010 NHRA Rule Book "A 500 minimum of a particular body style must be produced.......Special run must include a minimum of 50 of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent."

[Jim Wahl]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Section 9.1 of the 2010 NHRA Rule Book "A 500 minimum of a particular body style must be produced.......Special run must include a minimum of 50 of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent."

That is your answer to the whole debate! Jim

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Dgal

Section 9.1 of the 2010 NHRA Rule Book "A 500 minimum of a particular body style must be produced.......Special run must include a minimum of 50 of an already accepted body style, need not be showroom available. Applications evaluated on an individual basis. Acceptance will not imply precedent."

The last two sentences are their "get out of jail free" card.

Good nite,gotta get up early to go to Lead East.