Lack of integrity - Page 10

Bruce Noland · 09-05-2010, 02:31 PM

Hey that's a great idea. Minting a new nhra coin. One side could say Heads We win and the other side could say Tails You lose.

mopar68 · 09-05-2010, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeFicacci

The guys who have spent countless hours on their combinations are getting screwed by NHRA brass. There is no way around it. Our East Coast Stock Superstock races pull 40-50-60 cars/divisionals are almost always full. I say we get our own thing going if NHRA doesn't care about us.

An idea whose time is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay overdue.

M68

art leong · 09-05-2010, 02:39 PM

Just be carefull of what you wish for, you might get it.
Look at what the beloved IHRA has done to Top Stock You needed a calculator to figure out what you need to weigh from week to week. That was very sucessful wasn't it.

Greg Hill · 09-05-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by art leong

Yes Terry it does.
Level the playing field=========Distribute the wealth
Sounds like a 2 headed coin to me.

Art, the playing field should be level. NHRA should strive to have a fair and level field for all competitors. You seem to apologize for these new cars, their bogus hp ratings on the crate motors and the fact that they were never built for street use. I wonder if you had to race them heads up you would have a different attitude.

09-05-2010, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by W J

While we're on the subject, how much do you think it costs to put one of the SS/AH cars together?? And how close do you think these cars are parts-wise and spec-wise (suspension pieces, etc.) to the originals? Showroom floor?? Yeah, right....Leave the new cars alone....they're creating a ton of interest and bringing more people into the stands to watch stock and superstock racing than you've had there for 20 years.....there's a place for NEW and OLD in this sport. "Feed them and let them all run." WJ

BS! These new cars don't bring anymore people to the stands...That's just ignorant....Do you see any advertising for " Hey come see the new factor altered stickers whip embodies ***" Wrong.....again!

art leong · 09-05-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Art, the playing field should be level. NHRA should strive to have a fair and level field for all competitors. You seem to apologize for these new cars, their bogus hp ratings on the crate motors and the fact that they were never built for street use. I wonder if you had to race them heads up you would have a different attitude.

Greg there is a place to race with a level playing field. Bracket racing.
I could be more inline with the rants about the new cars. If stock were really stock.
With all the chemical milling, the valve springs, the wheelie bars, the aftermarket heads, Etc.
I don't feel sorry for anyone. It's not totally the racers fault. The associations have allowed these things, or looked the other way.
How many racers on here that are complaining are using real stock cylinder heads?
Especially in the faster classes if they go 1 second under.
They should be able to do what they want. But stop the new cars.
I feel the guys with the acid porting, ruined stock for me back in 1980.
I didn't bitch to anyone I decided to quit while I was ahead.

Dick Butler · 09-05-2010, 07:47 PM

Whats different? 400 pontiacs racing 283 chevy ll in LA in the 80s, waving goodbye on top end. 400 Chevies with the wrong specs crushing others in the 90s Injected chevy vs Carb chevy . Still Bogus HP 305 with injections. Now the new cars just rub it in to the Class racers. You cannot get NHRA attention while they are making money. Stock and SS are just entry paying classes which take up too much Tech and talk time for them. The good part of the new cars is the Factory is interested but NHRA is just taking their money and racers and laughing all the way to the bank. To quote a line from a movie" It just doesnt MATTER". If a race is held and 170 SS cars PAY entry they must be doing something right (their opinion)
454 Truck motors in Cavaliers in GT/AA with BOGUS hp is no different. Since when do GT/AA cars run 8.7s that is .7 faster that the worked out combos did with real factors.
Integrity is NOT the issue, getting entrants to PAY is the issue. No racers will ever stick together to support another organization with the History of racing NHRA.
Want to Win BUY a NEW car Underfactored and all and join the fun. Want to fight them YOU LOSE. You must USE the rules given and the opening supported by the organization.

X-TECH MAN · 09-05-2010, 08:18 PM

This just about says it all !

Bruce Noland · 09-05-2010, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Whats different? 400 pontiacs racing 283 chevy ll in LA in the 80s, waving goodbye on top end. 400 Chevies with the wrong specs crushing others in the 90s Injected chevy vs Carb chevy . Still Bogus HP 305 with injections. Now the new cars just rub it in to the Class racers. You cannot get NHRA attention while they are making money. Stock and SS are just entry paying classes which take up too much Tech and talk time for them. The good part of the new cars is the Factory is interested but NHRA is just taking their money and racers and laughing all the way to the bank. To quote a line from a movie" It just doesnt MATTER". If a race is held and 170 SS cars PAY entry they must be doing something right (their opinion)
454 Truck motors in Cavaliers in GT/AA with BOGUS hp is no different. Since when do GT/AA cars run 8.7s that is .7 faster that the worked out combos did with real factors.
Integrity is NOT the issue, getting entrants to PAY is the issue. No racers will ever stick together to support another organization with the History of racing NHRA.
Want to Win BUY a NEW car Underfactored and all and join the fun. Want to fight them YOU LOSE. You must USE the rules given and the opening supported by the organization.

Integrity is THE issue. Yes indeed we are fighting them. This is a gutless outfit with a shiny exterior. Very similar to a grumpy old man yelling into a microphone while hidding behind a curtain.

Dick Butler · 09-05-2010, 10:30 PM

Bruce, You forget the pivotal point. THEY own the "football". They will change whatever rules, whenever and however they wish REGARDLESS of input. It is not a democracy it is a business. (Poorly run in some areas as seen by class racers but) Not a Democracy! THEIR business....Racers are just participants who pay entry to play by THE rules given.

09-05-2010, 02:31 PM	#91
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Hey that's a great idea. Minting a new nhra coin. One side could say Heads We win and the other side could say Tails You lose. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

09-05-2010, 02:39 PM	#93
art leong VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Richmond Hill, Georgia Posts: 2,003 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Lack of integrity Just be carefull of what you wish for, you might get it. Look at what the beloved IHRA has done to Top Stock You needed a calculator to figure out what you need to weigh from week to week. That was very sucessful wasn't it. __________________ Art Leong 2095 SS

09-05-2010, 07:47 PM	#97
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Whats different? 400 pontiacs racing 283 chevy ll in LA in the 80s, waving goodbye on top end. 400 Chevies with the wrong specs crushing others in the 90s Injected chevy vs Carb chevy . Still Bogus HP 305 with injections. Now the new cars just rub it in to the Class racers. You cannot get NHRA attention while they are making money. Stock and SS are just entry paying classes which take up too much Tech and talk time for them. The good part of the new cars is the Factory is interested but NHRA is just taking their money and racers and laughing all the way to the bank. To quote a line from a movie" It just doesnt MATTER". If a race is held and 170 SS cars PAY entry they must be doing something right (their opinion) 454 Truck motors in Cavaliers in GT/AA with BOGUS hp is no different. Since when do GT/AA cars run 8.7s that is .7 faster that the worked out combos did with real factors. Integrity is NOT the issue, getting entrants to PAY is the issue. No racers will ever stick together to support another organization with the History of racing NHRA. Want to Win BUY a NEW car Underfactored and all and join the fun. Want to fight them YOU LOSE. You must USE the rules given and the opening supported by the organization.

09-05-2010, 08:18 PM	#98
X-TECH MAN Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lake Placid, Florida Posts: 3,203 Likes: 1,047 Liked 235 Times in 110 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity This just about says it all !

09-05-2010, 10:30 PM	#100
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Lack of integrity Bruce, You forget the pivotal point. THEY own the "football". They will change whatever rules, whenever and however they wish REGARDLESS of input. It is not a democracy it is a business. (Poorly run in some areas as seen by class racers but) Not a Democracy! THEIR business....Racers are just participants who pay entry to play by THE rules given.