A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only - Page 2

Paul Wong · 09-15-2010, 02:45 AM

The 69 440-6 has numerous differences from the 70 440-6. Flat top pistons with no valve relief but then again its not 411 hp either. The 69 is 395. This is still a combo that has potential to perform very well. probably a good 10.50 C car. Too bad it probably could not run with the 5.9 drag pak at 284hp

Mark Yacavone · 09-15-2010, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

The '70 GTX / Roadrunner has the small "air grabber" hood scoop (the one that pops up).
The '69 Roadrunner gets the fiberglass hood with a big ole honkin' scoop.

The 70 has more compression.

GTX JOHN · 09-15-2010, 05:47 AM

NOT MUCH piston to valve clearance on 69 due to flat tops without valve relief. It would not accept a camshaft as aggressive when I ran the combo in mid 70's

Andys dad · 09-15-2010, 09:04 AM

I am a Chevy guy but -

I think Jeff Teuton knows what he is doing and I think his point is well taken

Finally he has a combo that is very fast

I doubt his "stuff" was ever slow do to lack of effort or money

Frank Bialas · 09-15-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by RULER

Jeff, is this the same 440/6 pack that Mr. Wann ran in his GTX, if so then may be you need to look at your car or engine builder because if i remember seeing some Q-sheets a few years ago he didn't lose many heads ups and was always a top qualifier.

A FEW YEARS AGO THE 70 WAS AT 405 THAN 411 NOW AT 417 HP, don't even think about HIDING OUT IN C/SA min. wt. 3920, that's why the combo is no longer competitive.

Jeff the BIG hole in the hood isn't worth all that much, but I do like the plastic hood on the 691/2 for weight off the nose.

Casey Miles · 09-15-2010, 09:28 AM

The point of the question is that the newer cars are all out of whack to the playing field of the older cars and what can be done to correct the situtation. NHRA should have put at least 100 hp to all the new combo's (DP's and CJ's) and let them loose HP as they fit into classes to be competitive. The way that they are introduced to the playing field is so out of line, that it is an embarrasment to NHRA to let it go on. I was at Indy watching the older cars that used to be competitive fall to the way side as the newer cars just ate up all the quailifing positions. Cars that where .6 and .7 under, which used to be almost 1. under, couldn't even see the top of the quailifing sheets. It was a total mockery of the HP system and a fair playing field.
Just an observer of what went on at Indy, for the racer it was a $320 entry fee to watch your combo got to the crapper!

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Larry Curtis · 09-15-2010, 11:29 AM

The 6.1 hemi has been running in the NHRA the longest of the Challengers. At Indy the fastest 6.1 pass was 9.98 in A/AS by Doug Duell. That is 1.02 under the index, does this warrent it being put into a FX class? I am the point in my build where I can switch to a 5.7 at almost zero extra cost, but I am still going to build the 6.1. I want to compete in A, I would try to go to AA but I can not compete against a blown Mustang.

It appears to me that the AHFS is catching up with the 6.1 Challenger (not fast enough for some, but it is getting there).

Just my $.02
Larry

Dgal · 09-15-2010, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Curtis

The 6.1 hemi has been running in the NHRA the longest of the Challengers. At Indy the fastest 6.1 pass was 9.98 in A/AS by Doug Duell. That is 1.02 under the index, does this warrent it being put into a FX class? I am the point in my build where I can switch to a 5.7 at almost zero extra cost, but I am still going to build the 6.1. I want to compete in A, I would try to go to AA but I can not compete against a blown Mustang.

It appears to me that the AHFS is catching up with the 6.1 Challenger (not fast enough for some, but it is getting there).

Just my $.02
Larry

This is what warrants the placement of it into a FX class (in addition to internal things).

X-TECH MAN · 09-15-2010, 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Curtis

The 6.1 hemi has been running in the NHRA the longest of the Challengers. At Indy the fastest 6.1 pass was 9.98 in A/AS by Doug Duell. That is 1.02 under the index, does this warrent it being put into a FX class? I am the point in my build where I can switch to a 5.7 at almost zero extra cost, but I am still going to build the 6.1. I want to compete in A, I would try to go to AA but I can not compete against a blown Mustang.

It appears to me that the AHFS is catching up with the 6.1 Challenger (not fast enough for some, but it is getting there).

Just my $.02
Larry

Do ya suppose that Doug was 1) short shifting 2) running heavy 3) "Dumping" before the finish line 4) running it detuned 5) or with the A/C turned on or all of the above????? LOL

MikeFicacci · 09-15-2010, 11:50 AM

This post started with someone asking if anyone had a problem with FX classes and Jeff Teuton responding to the effect of 'what's wrong with my being a half second faster than the fastest G car on the planet when I used to be down a half second to the rest of the C cars'. I was simply trying to gather information on his combination because based on the few guys running a 440-6pack in the GTX against the normal cars, I would think that Jeff forgot a plug wire or two. But, it appears that I am incorrect and it is a different combination.

09-15-2010, 02:45 AM	#11
Paul Wong Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 384 Likes: 101 Liked 419 Times in 85 Posts	Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only The 69 440-6 has numerous differences from the 70 440-6. Flat top pistons with no valve relief but then again its not 411 hp either. The 69 is 395. This is still a combo that has potential to perform very well. probably a good 10.50 C car. Too bad it probably could not run with the 5.9 drag pak at 284hp

09-15-2010, 05:47 AM	#13
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,731 Likes: 2,794 Liked 2,471 Times in 696 Posts	Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only NOT MUCH piston to valve clearance on 69 due to flat tops without valve relief. It would not accept a camshaft as aggressive when I ran the combo in mid 70's

09-15-2010, 09:04 AM	#14
Andys dad VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Arcadia, Ca Posts: 1,571 Likes: 48 Liked 175 Times in 78 Posts	Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only I am a Chevy guy but - I think Jeff Teuton knows what he is doing and I think his point is well taken Finally he has a combo that is very fast I doubt his "stuff" was ever slow do to lack of effort or money __________________ time is our most precious resource, you can always make more money but you can never make more time spend your time wisely with the ones you love - Ron Durham Last edited by Andys dad; 09-15-2010 at 09:16 AM.

09-15-2010, 09:28 AM	#16
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 703 Likes: 127 Liked 488 Times in 90 Posts	Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only The point of the question is that the newer cars are all out of whack to the playing field of the older cars and what can be done to correct the situtation. NHRA should have put at least 100 hp to all the new combo's (DP's and CJ's) and let them loose HP as they fit into classes to be competitive. The way that they are introduced to the playing field is so out of line, that it is an embarrasment to NHRA to let it go on. I was at Indy watching the older cars that used to be competitive fall to the way side as the newer cars just ate up all the quailifing positions. Cars that where .6 and .7 under, which used to be almost 1. under, couldn't even see the top of the quailifing sheets. It was a total mockery of the HP system and a fair playing field. Just an observer of what went on at Indy, for the racer it was a $320 entry fee to watch your combo got to the crapper! Casey Miles 248H Stock?

09-15-2010, 11:29 AM	#17
Larry Curtis Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bethel MN Posts: 185 Likes: 1 Liked 9 Times in 2 Posts	Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only The 6.1 hemi has been running in the NHRA the longest of the Challengers. At Indy the fastest 6.1 pass was 9.98 in A/AS by Doug Duell. That is 1.02 under the index, does this warrent it being put into a FX class? I am the point in my build where I can switch to a 5.7 at almost zero extra cost, but I am still going to build the 6.1. I want to compete in A, I would try to go to AA but I can not compete against a blown Mustang. It appears to me that the AHFS is catching up with the 6.1 Challenger (not fast enough for some, but it is getting there). Just my $.02 Larry

09-15-2010, 11:50 AM	#20
MikeFicacci Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 241 Likes: 1 Liked 19 Times in 2 Posts	Re: A New question to DP and Mustang Owners only This post started with someone asking if anyone had a problem with FX classes and Jeff Teuton responding to the effect of 'what's wrong with my being a half second faster than the fastest G car on the planet when I used to be down a half second to the rest of the C cars'. I was simply trying to gather information on his combination because based on the few guys running a 440-6pack in the GTX against the normal cars, I would think that Jeff forgot a plug wire or two. But, it appears that I am incorrect and it is a different combination. __________________ Mike Ficacci Stk 1010