Lack of integrity

[SSDiv6]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Everyone seems to be real quick to say "well, the AHFS will level everything out, eventually".

How long is eventually?

You do realize that now that the rules are wide open, and the OEM's do not have to even actually build anything, cars or engines, that they can now just release a new "engine", comprised of whatever they and the aftermarket have in the parts bin, and a new "car", every time one of their current paper cars is factored even close to reasonable? They only thing they have to worry about is how big a check written to NHRA it'll take to get the next one into the guide.

With the new open rules, they can produce new killers at will, they don't even have to put anything together, they just have to get a different pile of parts approved. So they can make their own killers obsolete any time they choose, and play the "one up" game until everyone in the class quits, out of frustration or lack of funds.

They've opened Pandora's Box right in the middle of sportsman drag racing, and most people seem to be too blind to see the endless possibilities of things they can do now. It's all cool, some think, because they're on the "up side" right now. Will it all still be so cool when you can't afford the next new $100K piece, and your near new car is worth less than 50% of what you have in it? Good luck with that.

The old adage "Be careful what you wish for, you might just get it" couldn't be more appropriate than it is here.

Alan, I am not defending NHRA, however, I am curious too know how many are saying that the OEM's are paying NHRA to approve these cars?

As I understand, the OEM's submit the specs for approval and it is up to NHRA to accept them and racers have also submitted official documents and get them accepted or rejected without paying a fee.

If you are talking about giveaways such as official vehicles, all the OEM's, including GM has done so. In addition, the OEM's, like aftermarket manufacturers an sponsors, they also pay for their advertisements.

The Crux and reality of the issue is that NHRA accepted the horsepower factors that were submitted by the OEM's. I believe that even if the horsepower factors at the start of the induction of the CJ's and DP's were high, racers still would have purchased and raced these cars.

Again, I keep asking and nobody has responded to my question if GM had a Supercharged version of the Camaro or 'Vette in the books and available, if the dynamics of these discussions would be the same.

[BlueOval Ralph]

Alan, I am not defending NHRA, however, I am curious too know how many are saying that the OEM's are paying NHRA to approve these cars?

In the end noting is FREE there is always somekind of pay back when you ask for favors

[Bruce Noland]

Originally Posted by SSDiv6

Alan, I am not defending NHRA, however, I am curious too know how many are saying that the OEM's are paying NHRA to approve these cars?

As I understand, the OEM's submit the specs for approval and it is up to NHRA to accept them and racers have also submitted official documents and get them accepted or rejected without paying a fee.

If you are talking about giveaways such as official vehicles, all the OEM's, including GM has done so. In addition, the OEM's, like aftermarket manufacturers an sponsors, they also pay for their advertisements.

The Crux and reality of the issue is that NHRA accepted the horsepower factors that were submitted by the OEM's. I believe that even if the horsepower factors at the start of the induction of the CJ's and DP's were high, racers still would have purchased and raced these cars.

Again, I keep asking and nobody has responded to my question if GM had a Supercharged version of the Camaro or 'Vette in the books and available, if the dynamics of these discussions would be the same.

Where have you been? It has been said many times on this site that any new or similar GM car would be met with the same response by the racers.

[hemicop]

Guys, I agree with what you're saying, but just so you know the new DPs & CJs CAN be licensed with some creative paprerwork. As long as you have an MSO, you COULD title them, but it'd be tricky.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA

Let me help ya out on that one SS....

Firstly, there would BE no discussion.............

secondly-------------- see firstly.

Pure unadulterated B.S., plain and simple.

People here are still complaining about the 98 LT-1 F body deal, and that was twelve years ago.

All that was, at worst, was a 97 model production and emissions certified street engine in a 98 model body. There was zero performance advantage in the "swap".

If GM were to let someone smart into the their parts bin, and GM were to submit the stuff that could be built, the moaning, wailing, gnashing of teeth, and rending of garments would be deafening. This place would sound like a herd of long tail cats in a room full of rocking chairs.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by 1664SSJA

So your saying that in 12 years you'll still be here crying then right?

remember your words Alan " Not everyone will be successful in Stock Eliminator.....some people will just have to work harder on their programs"

We are successful, and I'm working harder. Got two class Wallys, two class wins at the SportsNational Open, and an over all runner up. And moving in to run Super Stock, too.