A gift from Ford for the lower classes @235hp

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Your right X tech man I don't have a clue about hard work.
When I started running my dad's 1983 wagon it ran 12.95 in M/SA. After six gear changes, seven different cams, three carbs, three sets of headers, and over 500 hours of work it now runs 12.20s in O/SA. Our 1988 ran 13.00 in P/SA and now it runs 12.50s.
So don't stand (or sit in you case) there from the side lines and tell me about how the younger generation just buys their way to the top. There are still some of us who know how to fine tune a combo.

And by the way this happened 12 years ago with LT1 cars. Everyone with a 67-69 camaro was crying and they STILL ARE.
Class racing is not fair so race what you have and complain or build something new.

I also remember something about your old man being caught running a 350 instead or where a 305 was supposed to be many years ago in the wagon. Now thats working hard.....LOL.

[Charley Downing]

Just for the record my dad has never been caught running a 350 instead a 305. The only time he has been DQ was for Valve spring pressure in 1988 @ INDY( along with 13 other racer because the tester was off 9 pounds). Get your facts right Pre 1960's X tech man. I see now why NHRA never asked you back.

You say you were an IHRA tech man for 20 plus years right. I was just curious if you held the bible for the famous IHRA teardowns(1978-1984) or if you guys paid a real preacher to do it for you. I would be shocked if you even know how to check a cylinder head cc.

The last time I set an IHRA record they never even plug a valve out of the head or rolled the cam. Is this the kind teaching you left behind when you left?

[Super Sport]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

.....You say you were an IHRA tech man for 20 plus years right. I was just curious if you held the bible for the famous IHRA teardowns(1978-1984) or if you guys paid a real preacher to do it for you. I would be shocked if you even know how to check a cylinder head cc.

The last time I set an IHRA record they never even plug a valve out of the head or rolled the cam. Is this the kind teaching you left behind when you left?

I sure hate to be one to agree with CD on any subject but he is correct about IHRA's slack teardowns. That is probably one of the reasons NHRA racers shy away from IHRA races even when they are in close driving distance. It is bad to have to race against cars that never get looked at. At least NHRA does teardown the new cars and has proven several times they will throw them out for an illegal engine even if the horsepower is underrated.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Super Sport

I sure hate to be one to agree with CD on any subject but he is correct about IHRA's slack teardowns. That is probably one of the reasons NHRA racers shy away from IHRA races even when they are in close driving distance. It is bad to have to race against cars that never get looked at. At least NHRA does teardown the new cars and has proven several times they will throw them out for an illegal engine even if the horsepower is underrated.

I agree with the lack of tear downs also. Ive complained about for years. Very few even care about tear downs anymore and the story I get is the lack of help and an open time frame. I left around 1978 and came back in 1990 and stayed until 2001. I threw out 14 stockers at Darlington at that first race of the year. Several were NHRA cars. It embarred one NHRA guy so bad he quit racing and sold his junk. I usually only worked the National events. Very few points races as I still had to work for a living.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Just for the record my dad has never been caught running a 350 instead a 305. The only time he has been DQ was for Valve spring pressure in 1988 @ INDY( along with 13 other racer because the tester was off 9 pounds). Get your facts right Pre 1960's X tech man. I see now why NHRA never asked you back.

You say you were an IHRA tech man for 20 plus years right. I was just curious if you held the bible for the famous IHRA teardowns(1978-1984) or if you guys paid a real preacher to do it for you. I would be shocked if you even know how to check a cylinder head cc.

The last time I set an IHRA record they never even plug a valve out of the head or rolled the cam. Is this the kind teaching you left behind when you left?

Charley Im tired of the pi$$ing contest with you. I dont care if he was torn down or not but the story is he was either protested or requested to tear down and loaded up and left. The story was it was a 350. Were you even born at that time? It was a very long time ago so some details are fuzzy. On top of that I have CC'd more cyl heads than you ever thought about. I preped heads for stock and S/S since 1969 before everyone started to "Enhance" them as in what some called acid porting. There is more cheating and outright bogus crap going on today than ever before. I can check a cams duration and overlap like we did in the 60'and 70's.....can you? I can quote engine specs for most older cars without looking at the spec book. Greg X tought me and he was one of the best I worked with along with Marty Barrett in Div 3, John beedenkamp (sp?) from Div.2, and past NHRA tech director Jim Dale. . Im done with you. Have a nice life and I really do hope your Mustang flies and you get hit with about 75 more HP before all is said and done. Those damn things belong in S/S along with the new V-10 Challenger. Have a nice life.

[lstanford]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Charley Im tired of the pi$$ing contest with you. I dont care if he was torn down or not but the story is he was either protested or requested to tear down and loaded up and left. The story was it was a 350. Were you even born at that time? It was a very long time ago so some details are fuzzy. On top of that I have CC'd more cyl heads than you ever thought about. I preped heads for stock and S/S since 1969 before everyone started to "Enhance" them as in what some called acid porting. There is more cheating and outright bogus crap going on today than ever before. I can check a cams duration and overlap like we did in the 60'and 70's.....can you? I can quote engine specs for most older cars without looking at the spec book. Greg X tought me and he was one of the best I worked with along with Marty Barrett in Div 3, John beedenkamp (sp?) from Div.2, and past NHRA tech director Jim Dale. . Im done with you. Have a nice life and I really do hope your Mustang flies and you get hit with about 75 more HP before all is said and done. Those damn things belong in S/S along with the new V-10 Challenger. Have a nice life.

Wow, are we feeling a little grumpy today! You might switch to decaf.

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by FECARMAN

Wow, are we feeling a little grumpy today! You might switch to decaf.

No...Not really. Just tired of these young punks who think they know everything and have it all given to them. I respect the group (young and older) who race for the effort and time they put into their programs, who work hard and dont run their mouths. 99% of the GOOD racers never post on here and I dont blame them. Im just about done with this forum myself. I would be in AA/S or A/S myself right now if it wasnt for the new bogus so called stockers. Why waste my money and time? One might as well take up golf or street rodding. Im thinking an I thru K car would have been better until the new V-6 Mustang came out. It wont be long and the new combos will have all of the classe covered. Just what NHRA wants. A new car show only.

[Charley Downing]

Come on now Terry this is all in good fun. No one wants you to leave the classracer. I don't know everything and have not had it all given to me. I hate to burst your bubble but Stock and SS are a huge waste of money( just ask any S/SS racers wife).
I just have one last question, I see you have posted over 2,200 times on this forum, so what category do you put your self in?

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by Charley Downing

Come on now Terry this is all in good fun. No one wants you to leave the classracer. I don't know everything and have not had it all given to me. I hate to burst your bubble but Stock and SS are a huge waste of money( just ask any S/SS racers wife).
I just have one last question, I see you have posted over 2,200 times on this forum, so what category do you put your self in?

The stupid catagory. Im a dumb ***** for wasting my time on here trying to help a few and inform some of a little history of Stock and S/S racng. In the big picture none of this stuff even matters.

[Charley Downing]

XXXXXXXX Tech man
Ok so you can put a set of heads together, so what that make you a expert in class racing. YOU DON"T EVEN RACE OR TECH. Just like you the good old days are gone.

Are you by chance the great Terry Bell X top stock man