Class versus brackets winning a round

Dick Butler · 12-01-2010, 04:08 PM

I know my answer but if winning a round with a dial in is what is exciting and the costs are out of sight why maintain tech , rules and classes? BBC in a Chevy II or a Hemi gets there first and comes back to run second round. Are we making too much of Class rules and tech of motors?
Quickest SS/AH, Fastest T-Bolt, quickest Vette what % really care?
If anyone can compete with a DIal in is it time to just run em? no tech just no NO2. What % of overal racers care about making a rule based SS or S motor car?

Jeff Lee · 12-01-2010, 05:09 PM

I think you should just throw in the towel & walk away from anything and everything associated with Class racing. The reasoning and rational does not matter, It's obviously not for you. Misery loves company and I refuse to share in your misery by participating in your poll.
I hope others do the same.

Dick Butler · 12-01-2010, 05:22 PM

Huh?
My answer has not been given on the poll but winning either is great but Class wins are still at least 100% better. JUst wish NHRA racing hadnt gotten so diluted and expanded in an attempt to allow "everything and anything" that getting a 6 or 8 car class count is unusual.

THE LEGEND · 12-01-2010, 05:30 PM

My thoughts are:
Class racing is just a bracket race that cost way much more than a bracket race. Kinda like bracket racing for show cars.
Chip

Bill Grubbs · 12-01-2010, 06:00 PM

Chip,
If you are talking about the cost of the actual race/event then you are partially correct. However, if you are talking about the cost of the entire racing operation then I strongly disagree, Class racing can be as cheap or expensive as you want it to be, just like bracket racing. Yes, if you go the inexpensive route, you will probably get whacked in a heads up run, unless you go the Bob Dennis / Bob Shaw route, and do your research to find an under factered car. In this case, you can do well, or even crush your opponents in a heads-up run. However, if you just have to run a Nova/Camaro/Mustang/Challenger/Duster of the 60s/70's vintage, then you better bring your "A" game...and your wallet to the race. Your choice. Ask Ed Fernandez or Daran Summerton about their cars. Daran has been pretty darn fast in his old U car. To each his/her own.

How much does a 4.60-5.50 bracket car cost?

The biggest difference is the rules. Personally I like working within a given set of rules and racing against others who hold my same values, to me that is the challenge.

Rollins_2241 · 12-01-2010, 06:03 PM

I see Chip is wearing his Snell 2010 helmet and Kevlar firesuit today...

CycloneFE · 12-01-2010, 06:08 PM

Personally I like working within a given set of rules and racing against others who hold my same values, to me that is the challenge. , Bill Grubbs

Wow, I couldn't have said it better. This is why I am building my car to race.

Steve

Myron Piatek · 12-01-2010, 06:11 PM

....and I also like the minimal amount of electronic driver's aids in Stock.

Ed Wright · 12-01-2010, 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

My thoughts are:
Class racing is just a bracket race that cost way much more than a bracket race. Kinda like bracket racing for show cars.
Chip

Wasn't until they dumbed it down with soft indexes.

Michael Beard · 12-01-2010, 06:31 PM

Hit the indexes another .80 and you'll still be bracket racing, just with less cars. Yippee.

View Poll Results: Dial in and win best or Fastest of a class
Just a win on a dial is #1	8	13.33%
Only winning a class round #1 with rules	26	43.33%
Doesnt matter a win is a win	18	30.00%
BOTH are equal	8	13.33%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

12-01-2010, 04:08 PM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Class versus brackets winning a round I know my answer but if winning a round with a dial in is what is exciting and the costs are out of sight why maintain tech , rules and classes? BBC in a Chevy II or a Hemi gets there first and comes back to run second round. Are we making too much of Class rules and tech of motors? Quickest SS/AH, Fastest T-Bolt, quickest Vette what % really care? If anyone can compete with a DIal in is it time to just run em? no tech just no NO2. What % of overal racers care about making a rule based SS or S motor car?

12-01-2010, 05:09 PM	#2
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round I think you should just throw in the towel & walk away from anything and everything associated with Class racing. The reasoning and rational does not matter, It's obviously not for you. Misery loves company and I refuse to share in your misery by participating in your poll. I hope others do the same. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-01-2010, 05:22 PM	#3
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Huh? My answer has not been given on the poll but winning either is great but Class wins are still at least 100% better. JUst wish NHRA racing hadnt gotten so diluted and expanded in an attempt to allow "everything and anything" that getting a 6 or 8 car class count is unusual. Last edited by Dick Butler; 12-01-2010 at 05:27 PM.

12-01-2010, 05:30 PM	#4
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round My thoughts are: Class racing is just a bracket race that cost way much more than a bracket race. Kinda like bracket racing for show cars. Chip

12-01-2010, 06:00 PM	#5
Bill Grubbs Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Magnolia, Texas Posts: 414 Likes: 1 Liked 557 Times in 65 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Chip, If you are talking about the cost of the actual race/event then you are partially correct. However, if you are talking about the cost of the entire racing operation then I strongly disagree, Class racing can be as cheap or expensive as you want it to be, just like bracket racing. Yes, if you go the inexpensive route, you will probably get whacked in a heads up run, unless you go the Bob Dennis / Bob Shaw route, and do your research to find an under factered car. In this case, you can do well, or even crush your opponents in a heads-up run. However, if you just have to run a Nova/Camaro/Mustang/Challenger/Duster of the 60s/70's vintage, then you better bring your "A" game...and your wallet to the race. Your choice. Ask Ed Fernandez or Daran Summerton about their cars. Daran has been pretty darn fast in his old U car. To each his/her own. How much does a 4.60-5.50 bracket car cost? The biggest difference is the rules. Personally I like working within a given set of rules and racing against others who hold my same values, to me that is the challenge.

12-01-2010, 06:03 PM	#6
Rollins_2241 Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 170 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round I see Chip is wearing his Snell 2010 helmet and Kevlar firesuit today...

12-01-2010, 06:08 PM	#7
CycloneFE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Decatur Illinois Posts: 634 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Personally I like working within a given set of rules and racing against others who hold my same values, to me that is the challenge. , Bill Grubbs Wow, I couldn't have said it better. This is why I am building my car to race. Steve

12-01-2010, 06:11 PM	#8
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round ....and I also like the minimal amount of electronic driver's aids in Stock.

12-01-2010, 06:31 PM	#10
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 13 Times in 9 Posts	Re: Class versus brackets winning a round Hit the indexes another .80 and you'll still be bracket racing, just with less cars. Yippee. __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS