How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this year - Page 20

Ed Wright · 12-15-2010, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Adger Smith

Ed, there are 2.

I'm a little slow Adger, two what? Or should I ask? lol

Greg Hill · 12-15-2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Greg - In my forty plus years of following the NHRA there has never been a year where a manufacturer has not been involved with courtesy cars and trucks and a very high percentage of those years were with General Motors being selected .Was there more those years too ? Last night I was asked who the four people were that you spoke of and I'm not really sure ............

My take on all of this is that the NHRA trusted the judgement of certain employees who were either not paying attention or just didn't care and by the time it was noticed there were many people with egg on their faces and from there it was a snowball rolling down a mountain that couldn't be stopped .

Just like the economy we are on our way to getting the problem fixed ..............

Jack, NHRA and Ford and Chrysler new exactly what they were doing letting these cars run with the bogus hp ratings. You would have to be completely naive to believe anything else. It's kind of like politics in a lot of places, pay to play. Or some would call it bribery. Not exactly the behavior a non profit organization should be operating under.

Jack Matyas · 12-15-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg Hill

Jack, NHRA and Ford and Chrysler new exactly what they were doing letting these cars run with the bogus hp ratings. You would have to be completely naive to believe anything else. It's kind of like politics in a lot of places, pay to play. Or some would call it bribery. Not exactly the behavior a non profit organization should be operating under.

Greg - I agree that Ford and Chrysler knew what they were doing -- but bribery is a very strong word ................

vic guilmino · 12-15-2010, 06:36 PM

THE ENTRY FEE AND THE NEW CARS
i will stay home go to div and opens
class is now a joke
they will be playing with you going down the track

B Aceves · 12-15-2010, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vic guilmino

THE ENTRY FEE AND THE NEW CARS
i will stay home go to div and opens
class is now a joke
they will be playing with you going down the track

Pretty sure you can count on the prices of Divisionals and National Open races
going up as well.

GUMP · 12-16-2010, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Noland

You say we differ because I see these cars as a problem and you don't??? Then you say the HP is way off and I guess that's not a problem for you? So now we should watch many hard working racers and friends walk away from the sport while we wait for these new ringer cars to bomb their indexs?? Nope, I don't think so!

I don't see the cars as a problem. I think that they are pretty much the best thing that has happened in a long time. The HP is another story, didn't I asked you a question about the HP on your combination a long time ago......

Jim Wahl · 12-16-2010, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by vic guilmino

THE ENTRY FEE AND THE NEW CARS
i will stay home go to div and opens
class is now a joke
they will be playing with you going down the track

Me to! Jim

KingReptile · 12-16-2010, 01:54 AM

Hmmm maybe somebody need Chevy backing

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Ed Wright · 12-16-2010, 08:51 AM

Nah, just need the new hp factors fixed. I love the cars.

Ron E · 12-16-2010, 12:17 PM

I think this problem is really simple. But, a lot of people just argue their side instead of considering the validity of their POV.

So, let me qualify, or disqualify my "right" to even post, as some think if I don't have a
A through D/S'er I'm not allowed an opinion. 90% of my work is class cars. A bracket racer just buys the latest,greatest heads according to Car Craft or their brother in law. So, I arrogantly feel I have the right to speak. If you disagree, stop reading right here.

To those who call it shoe polish racing, you are missing what class racing is all about. If that were the case, they'd run tube door cars, or dragsters, where the headers can be removed in a leisurely 5 minutes, and nobody would ever tell you to tear down a perfectly good engine so they could look inside. This ain't shoe polish racing.

Class racing is a totally different mindset. Stockers amaze me at how fast they can go with no meaningful valve lift, undersized carburetors, awful manifolds no compression, etc. I understand the difference, but I'm never amazed when I see a 1900 lb. dragster with a 540 CI motor equipped with a 1150 on a sheetmetal intake with 400 CC runner heads and .800" lift solid rollers going 8.30's.

Stock racing has always been about getting the last drop out of a combination. Of course, money is always a factor. But, when the deep-pocket big guns are running 10-ohs and some 9.90's while you're running 10.30's, you don't feel crushed. You know that you're just out spent. Even without 14 converters, 4 sets of $3K headers, etc. your 10.30's are damn respectable.

Everybody here knows the only problem is the factors. When a top tier racer who has constantly developed and refined a '69 BB Camaro for 10 years to get it in the 9.90's suddenly has to race a brand new and yet (relatively) undeveloped combination that runs instant 9.40's out of the box, what does anyone expect him to do? Just go to work and find another 1/2 second is a STUPID suggestion. There's far more left in that new car than the Camaro. And anybody who has a clue knows this. And after all the time/money/effort, it's down right demeaning to run a flat out 9.96 and get beat by a 9.84 at 112 MPH. And not being in A through D doesn't mean you shouldn't give a damn. How long before some new combo shows up for L or M stock?

Bring on the new cars. Just factor them in so they're part of the eliminator. There's been several common sense methods to make this happen already.

I don't think anybody in their right mind doesn't like the new cars. All the negative energy needs to go straight to NHRA. I mean bitch at them so much that they hate to open their inbox, answer the phone or open a letter. Make the topic unavoidable to them.

As soon as the factors are fair this whole debate will be over and not a minute before. The ivory tower types in NHRA need to get sick of hearing about it. Sick enough to fix the problem. There is a point where anybody will take some action to stop the bitching. I know this (I'm divorced).
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vic guilmino Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: wv Posts: 884 Likes: 42 Liked 56 Times in 21 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this THE ENTRY FEE AND THE NEW CARS i will stay home go to div and opens class is now a joke they will be playing with you going down the track __________________ Vic Guilmino 1129 STK

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Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 390 Times in 170 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this Nah, just need the new hp factors fixed. I love the cars. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-16-2010, 12:17 PM	#200
Ron E Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 70 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: How are the new cars remaining in Stock classes going to affect your racing this I think this problem is really simple. But, a lot of people just argue their side instead of considering the validity of their POV. So, let me qualify, or disqualify my "right" to even post, as some think if I don't have a A through D/S'er I'm not allowed an opinion. 90% of my work is class cars. A bracket racer just buys the latest,greatest heads according to Car Craft or their brother in law. So, I arrogantly feel I have the right to speak. If you disagree, stop reading right here. To those who call it shoe polish racing, you are missing what class racing is all about. If that were the case, they'd run tube door cars, or dragsters, where the headers can be removed in a leisurely 5 minutes, and nobody would ever tell you to tear down a perfectly good engine so they could look inside. This ain't shoe polish racing. Class racing is a totally different mindset. Stockers amaze me at how fast they can go with no meaningful valve lift, undersized carburetors, awful manifolds no compression, etc. I understand the difference, but I'm never amazed when I see a 1900 lb. dragster with a 540 CI motor equipped with a 1150 on a sheetmetal intake with 400 CC runner heads and .800" lift solid rollers going 8.30's. Stock racing has always been about getting the last drop out of a combination. Of course, money is always a factor. But, when the deep-pocket big guns are running 10-ohs and some 9.90's while you're running 10.30's, you don't feel crushed. You know that you're just out spent. Even without 14 converters, 4 sets of $3K headers, etc. your 10.30's are damn respectable. Everybody here knows the only problem is the factors. When a top tier racer who has constantly developed and refined a '69 BB Camaro for 10 years to get it in the 9.90's suddenly has to race a brand new and yet (relatively) undeveloped combination that runs instant 9.40's out of the box, what does anyone expect him to do? Just go to work and find another 1/2 second is a STUPID suggestion. There's far more left in that new car than the Camaro. And anybody who has a clue knows this. And after all the time/money/effort, it's down right demeaning to run a flat out 9.96 and get beat by a 9.84 at 112 MPH. And not being in A through D doesn't mean you shouldn't give a damn. How long before some new combo shows up for L or M stock? Bring on the new cars. Just factor them in so they're part of the eliminator. There's been several common sense methods to make this happen already. I don't think anybody in their right mind doesn't like the new cars. All the negative energy needs to go straight to NHRA. I mean bitch at them so much that they hate to open their inbox, answer the phone or open a letter. Make the topic unavoidable to them. As soon as the factors are fair this whole debate will be over and not a minute before. The ivory tower types in NHRA need to get sick of hearing about it. Sick enough to fix the problem. There is a point where anybody will take some action to stop the bitching. I know this (I'm divorced). ________________________ Sykes brothers cylinder heads Last edited by Ron E; 12-16-2010 at 12:29 PM.