I'm confused about IHRA's Sportsman friendliness

[Hagen Gary]

Dude, you missed the point. I don't think IHRA really believes they will get more than 32 cars in either class. So they adjusted the payout to rounds won instead of semis, quaters and so on. This has everything to do with friendliness, I expect my friends to be fair to me. The differences in payout structure is not fair in MY opinion. Seems like they know exactly how many cars will show from years past and adjusted acordingly. I figured I earned the right to bitch about how I got enhanced by IHRA. I wish everyone in the area would come give it a try, and thats why this pisses me off.

Ed, I'll be at both BR and Houston, You?

[vic guilmino]

hey michael
how about some live reports
what the hell is going on in bradenton

[X-TECH MAN]

Originally Posted by vic guilmino

hey michael
how about some live reports
what the hell is going on in bradenton

If you had come down to win the BIG BUCKS from NHRA you would know what is going on in Bradenton......... You guys all bitch yet wont go anywhere unless the race is in your back yard. It didnt matter when gas and diesel was under a buck and a half.

[Chuck Beach]

Pay outs are really tough for the track putting on the race. If you don't post guarenteed money then no one will show. If you base if off of the number of competitors that show up in each category no one would show up. Basing it on the number of rounds helps the track but the problem I have is if there is a bye in any 'paying' round then the track makes out. For instance, if there are only 3 cars left they only pay one semi then the runner up and the winner .. they keep the other semi would be money ..

[Hagen Gary]

I can't call either organization more friendly than the other. Sure, IHRA is more layed back, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA spends more time with you, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA starts late and ends early, cuz nobody shows up. You park close, cuz nobody shows up. You get it? I have never had a problem with either org. besides the payout structure. Its broken in both. But this is just a slap in the face. Its not my fault if nobody shows, but how can you feel good about paying the same to get in the gate and T/S gets 6 times as much as a SS car in the semis if the same number of cars show up? Give me a break, I could have a competative car in T/S or T/D for the same money in my SS. What makes them so special? I guess if I had a brick with a CM in it, I could call it a stocker and load it up on my open trailer and feel ok with the payout. But I don't want to and a great majority of the people IHRA needs to suport them don't either.

[Ed Wright]

I've got to agree about TS & TD. I was very disappointed to learn it's just another bracket race. I never watched them, so assumed since they make such a big deal about their qualifying they actually raced heads up like the Alky cars. Their "show" would be a lot better if they actually raced heads up. Of course the beaters would stop showing up.

[Carl Juliano]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

I've got to agree about TS & TD. I was very disappointed to learn it's just another bracket race. I never watched them, so assumed since they make such a big deal about their qualifying they actually raced heads up like the Alky cars. Their "show" would be a lot better if they actually raced heads up. Of course the beaters would stop showing up.

Yes Ed, its a bracket race after qualifying, just like S/SS. I agree the payout structure for all classes needs to be adjusted fairly. But if the TS "show" as you call it was heads up, it would be called "Pro Modified", which we all know is outta hand right now. Guys like me would just sell my ***** and just run S/G.(and I dont own a beater).

[Ed Carpenter]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

I can't call either organization more friendly than the other. Sure, IHRA is more layed back, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA spends more time with you, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA starts late and ends early, cuz nobody shows up. You park close, cuz nobody shows up. You get it? I have never had a problem with either org. besides the payout structure. Its broken in both. But this is just a slap in the face. Its not my fault if nobody shows, but how can you feel good about paying the same to get in the gate and T/S gets 6 times as much as a SS car in the semis if the same number of cars show up? Give me a break, I could have a competative car in T/S or T/D for the same money in my SS. What makes them so special? I guess if I had a brick with a CM in it, I could call it a stocker and load it up on my open trailer and feel ok with the payout. But I don't want to and a great majority of the people IHRA needs to suport them don't either.

Hagen I get your point. Two years ago in Pine Valley there were 3 cars left. I was one of them. I lost to Dwayne Custer. I went to the tower and they said because of the car count we are only paying the winner and r/u. That is the one time I wasn't to thrilled with IHRA. other than that it's been good. I feel if I pulled my car 5 hours to the race I shouldn't be punished for nobody else showing up. Like I said I like IHRA. When I broke in Dallas last year Frank gave me my entry fee and crew fee back. When I broke in Houston a few years ago NHRA said thanks for playing.

[borninamopar]

Originally Posted by Hagen Gary

I can't call either organization more friendly than the other. Sure, IHRA is more layed back, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA spends more time with you, cuz nobody shows up. IHRA starts late and ends early, cuz nobody shows up. You park close, cuz nobody shows up. You get it? I have never had a problem with either org. besides the payout structure. Its broken in both. But this is just a slap in the face. Its not my fault if nobody shows, but how can you feel good about paying the same to get in the gate and T/S gets 6 times as much as a SS car in the semis if the same number of cars show up? Give me a break, I could have a competative car in T/S or T/D for the same money in my SS. What makes them so special? I guess if I had a brick with a CM in it, I could call it a stocker and load it up on my open trailer and feel ok with the payout. But I don't want to and a great majority of the people IHRA needs to suport them don't either.

You answered your own question. I know our T/S -Outlaw car we race every now and then when we can AFFORD to, is because it costs a whole helluva lot more money to build and maintain a T/S car then most SS. Guess that is why they pay out more. Isn't that any class anywhere? The faster you run, the more money you get. Makes sense to me.

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by borninamopar

You answered your own question. I know our T/S -Outlaw car we race every now and then when we can AFFORD to, is because it costs a whole helluva lot more money to build and maintain a T/S car then most SS. Guess that is why they pay out more. Isn't that any class anywhere? The faster you run, the more money you get. Makes sense to me.

Dude, Your compleatly wrong on this. A simple search of RacingJunk would easily prove that. T/S cost more, sure. But the FACT is, No matter how many cars show up in both classes, T/S will take home 3 times as much money as ANY other class. Thats 300%. Do you get that? Are you really that much better than us? The separation between SS and SST aint even close to 300%. I bet you can get way more runs out of a similarly built T/S motor than a SS. Don't act like a T/S car comes close to a compairable TAFC in operation cost. If you think that most SS cars have less than 50K in them, then allow me to think of most T/S cars as S/G's with the trottle stop off (cuz thats what would qualify at Palm beach, and is going to qualify at BR). The separation in building and opperating cost aint even close to 300%. Don't even get me started on what type of car can claim more contingencies. Its illegal in S/SS to run half the list.

I'll be at BR and from what I see, you will too. So, you know my name. Come get me and we will take the qualifing sheet from T/S and SS, ride around, drink a beer, and maybee we will both do a little self educating on how much it really cost to qualify up top and on the bottom of both classes.