Crate Engines in NHRA?

[Hagen Gary]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

first off your buddy made the disparaging comment about "you guys are half retarded", so go beat on him for lowering the bar.

Second off, the first thing I bolded is what class racing is all about. The second thing I bolded sounds like it came straight out of a bracket racer's mouth (not that there is anything wrong with that). About the third thing I bolded.........you have to look at NHRA national event sportsman class structure as two different ladders to the top. One one side, from bottom up, is super street, super gas, super comp, and top sportsman. These classes most often lead to the alcohol classes, pro mod, and the fuel classes (ala Shawn Langdon, the Force Girls, and others). The other side is stock, SS, and Comp. This side most often leads to Pro Stock at the top (stanfield, Brogdon, Kent, etc). Stock and SuperStreet would both be at the bottom rung on their respective sides, but the mindset is totally different on either side. Super Street is truly the entry level class here, and NHRA even states it. Class racing, on the other side is performance based and is about things like knowing the in's and out's of a motor, trans, etc and yes even things like that different carb base that's worth .004. If that's not what interests you, and you don't have the knack for it, maybe the other side of that "ladder" would be better for you.

I'm not trying to bash you, or suggest that you aren't cut out for class racing, but some of your own posts raise those questions. I'm also not saying that one side of the class structure is lesser than the other, or that they are mutually exclusive. There are lost of racers that excel at both. But they do require a different mentality and skill set. "going mid 11's for the least amount of money possible" doesn't sound like the class racer mentality. "going 1.00 under the index for the least amount possible" does, whether it be V/S, AF/S or A/SA

I don't know how you can argue with that. Good post Chad. Keep CM in IHRA. Lord knows we need the car count. I'm with ED on this too. The lack of parts in your area is no excuse for limiting yourself to one sanctioning body. I guess I just assumed that most CM cars are mostly bracket racers who run the IHRA races when they come in the area. I had no idea they actually wanted NHRA to change the rules for them. NHRA doesn't want older cars. Why would they give people a way to make them competitive again by adding whatever combination you want?

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by dragracer502

All right, time to join in on the fun.........The point that my Crate Camaro friend is to being too kind to make its this. It is not 1970 any more! Hasn't been for 41 years now, so let it go, time marches on, and not even one of you with a numbers correct, factory original race version, 1 of 5, had to be on the "special" list (wink wink, nudge nudge) to get one, big block, 4 speed, light weight stocker can make the good old days come back! Thats why they are the "good old days" because they are gone. So lets deal with reality here then. The issue that has you "originals" all in knots on almost every other thread is the "death" of stock .......and I worry about that as well, but it is not because of new "bogus" combinations coming in. Stock is going to die because there are fewer new racers coming in than there are old ones going out. Plain and simple, if you are one of the fortunate few who have "been there and burried that index" racing an original equipment stocker, chances are you are worried about the end of your time on earth, and only think its the end of Stock Eliminator that has you awake late at night. Instead of ruling down from on high about what combination is in and whats out...you should be doing everything in your power to bring any and every new racer interested in taking on the challenge of Stock racing, to the track. In the end, when you get over your ego trip of running Class, you will understand that we are all just running a glorified bracket race, so get over yourself, put on both bulbs, and settle racing arguments where they belong.....on the track! Me and Crate Camaro, we will be waiting here in Ontario for anyone with the balls enough to risk having their $100 000 "real" stocker shown the gate by a crate motor car.

My, my, my, ain't you just cute? Such venom and vitriol, you bring so much to the conversation. At least, you think you do. There ain't no "we", there's us, and there's you. NHRA draws about 3 times the car count that IHRA does. Not that I'm any real fan of NHRA, nor do I have any dislike at all for IHRA. Tell us again how you crate motor boys are going to save our class.

You know, as bad as you think you are, as much as you think you can prove to us, since obviously none of us has any reason to come up there, just call up your fellow Canadian, John Armstrong, and have him build you a real motor, so you can come on down and show us all your mad racing skills. If you're half as good as you think you are, you'll win enough to cover the cost of the motor in the first month you're here, after that, it's all profit. Just think, you can be fabulously wealthy, and show us all how it's done, too. After all, the rest of us don't have your skills, and don't know it's "just a glorified bracket race".

Now, "Crate Camaro" and any number of others who like crate motors, I can at least have some measure of respect for, carry on a decent discussion with, and agree to disagree. You, on the other hand, well, you bring nothing to the discussion, you rank somewhere between "minor amusement", and "minor annoyance". The only reason to reply to your attempts to insult anyone are to watch you throw your little tantrums and lick the windows. I gotta think that somewhere in Canada, a village is missing its idiot. Keep the faith sunshine, you're just special, don't let anyone tell you different.

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

My, my, my, ain't you just cute? Such venom and vitriol, you bring so much to the conversation. At least, you think you do. There ain't no "we", there's us, and there's you. NHRA draws about 3 times the car count that IHRA does. Not that I'm any real fan of NHRA, nor do I have any dislike at all for IHRA. Tell us again how you crate motor boys are going to save our class.

You know, as bad as you think you are, as much as you think you can prove to us, since obviously none of us has any reason to come up there, just call up your fellow Canadian, John Armstrong, and have him build you a real motor, so you can come on down and show us all your mad racing skills. If you're half as good as you think you are, you'll win enough to cover the cost of the motor in the first month you're here, after that, it's all profit. Just think, you can be fabulously wealthy, and show us all how it's done, too. After all, the rest of us don't have your skills, and don't know it's "just a glorified bracket race".

Now, "Crate Camaro" and any number of others who like crate motors, I can at least have some measure of respect for, carry on a decent discussion with, and agree to disagree. You, on the other hand, well, you bring nothing to the discussion, you rank somewhere between "minor amusement", and "minor annoyance". The only reason to reply to your attempts to insult anyone are to watch you throw your little tantrums and lick the windows. I gotta think that somewhere in Canada, a village is missing its idiot. Keep the faith sunshine, you're just special, don't let anyone tell you different.

Dammit Alan, I just spit diet coke all over my keyboard.

[Ed Wright]

Very good Alan. LMAO

[dragracer502]

thank you guys,
I new I could count on being able to wind you all up in 1 post or less. Crate Camaro, you owe me a beer (and thank god its a real Canadian one!). Thank you for reminding me how glad I am I live in a country where the default answer to any argument is NOT "god bless america". I will leave you with this last comforting thought......NHRA will never bring in Crate motor stockers just because IHRA started the class and we all know the mighty NHRA will never adopt a class started in the IHRA, right? I mean iits not like thats ever happened before.......just take Pro mod for example..........oh well never mind.

[Bob Pagano]

If you want respect post with your real name not some bull crap. I have many friends in Canada over the years starting with Pete Fedun but they are all class guys. Where do you fit in ?

[Mike Carr]

Originally Posted by dragracer502

I will leave you with this last comforting thought......NHRA will never bring in Crate motor stockers just because IHRA started the class and we all know the mighty NHRA will never adopt a class started in the IHRA, right? I mean iits not like thats ever happened before.......just take Pro mod for example..........oh well never mind.

Pro Mod. Top Sportsman. Top Dragster. Top Stock.

As far as crate motors in NHRA, I'll use an analogy from Comp Eliminator. Over the past ten years, there have been many classes added to it (automatic classes, Nostalgia Dragster, Turbo classes, etc). People were even requestiong motorcycle classes and other nonsense. "I want a class made with this weight break...I want a class made with these rules....I want, I want, I want...". It seems that everytime NHRA would add classes to Comp, it would upset the apple cart and the new classes would beat up on everyone else.

Now, I'm not saying if Crates were added to NHRA, they'd take 18 of the top 20 qualifying spots. My point is, the general consensus of Comp racers is, "Build a car for a class--don't build a class for a car". NHRA doesn't need crate motor Stockers to be successful. If you want to run NHRA, build/buy a traditional Stocker. If you have a crate motor car and can not afford to build/buy a regular Stocker, there is still IHRA and many S/SS Associations (mine included) that allow IHRA cars.

[Chris1529]

[QUOTE=Hagen Gary;248490] I guess I just assumed that most CM cars are mostly bracket racers who run the IHRA races when they come in the area.


I think that is a rediculous comment. I think if you look a little closer, you see there are many well built IHRA crate motor cars. There is alot of difference between the preparation for a nice class racing car than there is for a weekend bracket car. I don't agree with all the combinations of crate motors and rules that are out there, but if factored properly, there should be no problem running them as the basic premise is the same.

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Bob Pagano

If you want respect post with your real name not some bull crap. I have many friends in Canada over the years starting with Pete Fedun but they are all class guys. Where do you fit in ?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Not going to play the name drop game. Cant wait to get home and make this a 100+ post thread. You guys are so lost and uninformed its crazy. Us crate motor guys have part numbers to follow just like you....i make reference to part numbers because thats your whole life...part numbers. I bet I could ask all of your wifes and or kids what part number intake you run on your stocker because they would definitly know from years of talking about different casting numbers and BS. You call me and my crate a bracket car when you are all so lost in the big picture that you actually have a bracket car as well...its a bracket race with a 30x9 tire and some rules. Give it up.

Wow all your ego's and must have really been hurt when NHRA moved all the index's up...heck what will you tell your grandchilden..."ohh grandpa's car used to go 1 under the index but now it can only go .7 under the index". No wonder kids are screwed up and turn to drugs and drive imports. You think the 14 year old kid in the stands watching you old clowns race knows what a max wedge car is? You think he can tell the difference between a 375hp camaro and a 330hp camaro? The only way he could tell is when his daddy says...hey see the one that wheelstands the farthest....thats one of those 330hp small block crate motors

[Mark Yacavone]

My thoughts on this are pretty simple.

I like to look at a S/SS car and have an idea what engine combination might be in it
That's part of the allure and interest I have in those classes ...Always been that way.

Crate motors just don't do that for me. Too close to Bracket Two for a traditional guy like me. I feel the same way, to a lesser extent, about GT / Super Stock..... and definitely that way about Nascar.

As far as changing NHRA rules to accommodate your favorite car you drove back in high school...That's not the way it works in Stock Eliminator.

You build yourself a car that fits into the existing rules structure.
Seems simple enough to me...

How many you want?


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2272813283.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2250438196.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2284359294.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/2212685293.html


Don't want to leave out the Blue Oval bunch:

Here you go. Runs P/SA or the bottom Pure Stock class in IHRA

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ctd/2260965401.html