Crate Engines in NHRA?

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by CrateCamaro

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Not going to play the name drop game. Cant wait to get home and make this a 100+ post thread. You guys are so lost and uninformed its crazy. Us crate motor guys have part numbers to follow just like you....i make reference to part numbers because thats your whole life...part numbers. I bet I could ask all of your wifes and or kids what part number intake you run on your stocker because they would definitly know from years of talking about different casting numbers and BS. You call me and my crate a bracket car when you are all so lost in the big picture that you actually have a bracket car as well...its a bracket race with a 30x9 tire and some rules. Give it up.

Wow all your ego's and must have really been hurt when NHRA moved all the index's up...heck what will you tell your grandchilden..."ohh grandpa's car used to go 1 under the index but now it can only go .7 under the index". No wonder kids are screwed up and turn to drugs and drive imports. You think the 14 year old kid in the stands watching you old clowns race knows what a max wedge car is? You think he car tell the difference between a 375hp camaro and a 330hp camaro? The only way he could tell is when his daddy says...hey see the one in that wheelstands the farthest....thats one of those 330hp small block crate motors

i doubt you can out wheelstand some of the 427/396 camaros. Hell i know of one orange 69 camaro that i KNOW you can't out wheelstand.

[Ed Wright]

What is your index with the 330 hp crate engine, and what do you have to weigh?
And I'm not trying to argue. Just curious.
I don't run Stock, so don't really care either way about this.

[Ed Fernandez]

Don't like the rule structure?Stay the f*ck up in Canada and have fun with your bracket car.We try to give a civil conversation and you both admit you just wanted to stir the $****.
a$$holes like you two give some a bad view if Canada.Mybe you should spend time
rolling the stone in the exciting game of curling.
Those jr dragster kids are waiting to kick Mr F Bombs ***** if he has the balls to venture into the real world.

[Ed Wright]

Ed, you really need to come out of your shell, and say what you really think. LMAO!

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

What is your index with the 330 hp crate engine, and what do you have to weigh?
And I'm not trying to argue. Just curious.
I don't run Stock, so don't really care either way about this.

11.95 index...it was 12.00

just got de-rated from 340 back to 330

When it was 340hp I had to weight 3400lbs I actually crossed the scales at 3465 with me in it. So its not that easy to make it happen. This year will be worse because of the -10 decrease in hp. Might have to move into I/CM because I dont have the heart to gutt the car to find 96 lbs.

[Michael Beard]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

i doubt you can out wheelstand some of the 427/396 camaros. Hell i know of one orange 69 camaro that i KNOW you can't out wheelstand.

Mike Petrie bent the license plate on his H/CM Camaro at Rockingham a few years ago. Although wheelies are fun, I don't know that they are applicable to the argument here. You could argue that giant wheelstands are not necessarily conducive to quick E.T.'s, and it's certainly not a factor in consistency.

Actually, I'm still trying to figure out what the argument *is* here... 1) NHRA's not going to change anything so it's a moot point for one side to push the argument, and at least as bad for the other side to get defensive about it, and 2) you've got a guy that built a car to the rules that he wanted to build, and has fun with it. All this NHRA vs IHRA or this car vs that car stuff is irrelevant.

What is your index with the 330 hp crate engine, and what do you have to weigh?

For reference, the 360 Magnum crate motor is rated at 325hp. In I/CM (10# class) min. weight 3420, index 12.10. The index would be similar to F/SA (old index 12.15, 10.5# class). Compare to a '72 340 rated at 299, which has to weigh 3310. (Although just for arguments sake, a crate motor in the traditional weight break system would be more like an E/SA, so there'd be more like a 260lb difference.)

360 crate - 9.6:1 comp, .458/.467 cam w/ 1.6 rocker, .060 dish piston, 1.925/1.625 head, 57.7 cc
340 standard - 9.32:1 comp, .462/.473 cam w/ 1.5 rocker, flat top piston w/ notches, 1.88/1.60 heads, 64.7 cc

What's all that worth on the track? Ahdunno. The crate motor has some intake/carb advantages, etc which offsets some of the 110lb (260lb?) weight difference, but they're certainly more comparable than the new cars. The 360 DragPak has better specs all the way around than my crate motor, and it's rated 50hp less (which is why there's more than one being put together at Sloan Racing Engines)

I have no problem with crate motor remaining solely an IHRA thing. *IF* NHRA ever did anything (and I don't think they would), you'd think they'd show up in Super Stock GT first. Come to think of it, you'd think it'd make sense to combine crate motors in IHRA with Stock GT.

/ramble

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

My thoughts on this are pretty simple.

I like to look at a S/SS car and have an idea what engine combination might be in it
That's part of the allure and interest I have in those classes ...Always been that way.

Crate motors just don't do that for me. Too close to Bracket Two for a traditional guy like me. I feel the same way, to a lesser extent, about GT / Super Stock..... and definitely that way about Nascar.

As far as changing NHRA rules to accommodate your favorite car you drove back in high school...That's not the way it works in Stock Eliminator.

You build yourself a car that fits into the existing rules structure.
Seems simple enough to me...

How many you want?


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2272813283.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/wvl/cto/2250438196.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2284359294.html


http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/cto/2212685293.html


Don't want to leave out the Blue Oval bunch:

Here you go. Runs P/SA or the bottom Pure Stock class in IHRA

http://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ctd/2260965401.html

Ok I get it now...build a whole new combo and then its ok to run NHRA stock. Id rather not quote any of your posts because I have been in the internet war with you before and really its all verbal diarea as far as im concerned. Its ok to allow VW's into superstock, its ok for the new mustangs to have a blower and run at half of thier potential, its ok for the new chalenger to have an intake big enough for a top fuel car and apparently its now ok for a CRATE ENGINE 352 and 428 cube engine to run in the new mustang...????

[RED67]

Originally Posted by Chad Rhodes

well if a 170 IQ is half retarded, I'm ok with that. We get to race year round, y'all get to post on the internet for half the year. You also live in Canada, a country that could be taken over by our Boy Scouts before lunch time.

[MikeFicacci]

Not for nothing, for all the arguing going on here, this could be Ed Fernandez's long lost brother.

[CrateCamaro]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Don't like the rule structure?Stay the f*ck up in Canada and have fun with your bracket car.We try to give a civil conversation and you both admit you just wanted to stir the $****.
a$$holes like you two give some a bad view if Canada.Mybe you should spend time
rolling the stone in the exciting game of curling.
Those jr dragster kids are waiting to kick Mr F Bombs ***** if he has the balls to venture into the real world.

Who said anything about the rule structure? We race the same rules you do...there is a section in the IHRA rulebook that is for cratemotor and it gives the weight breaks, intake rule, carb rule, and everythink else is the same for STOCK. Im not here to sturr the pot im here to maybe get this through your thick scull...There is no difference between your stocker an my stocker...they are both stock eliminator cars...mine has a "replacement engine"...better known as a crate motor if you didnt know already and it is no different then a 350/295hp stocker combo....its the same thing, built the same, runs the same, sounds the same...bla bla bla. You think that this is some kid of witchcraft?