worst red light debate, again!

[Randall Klein]

I've been reluctant to join in, but what the hey.....in looking over 20 years of tickets, and I almost always go first, the worst red light has never impacted me, although I do agree it would be more fair in my personal opinion.....I really don't care one way or the other....I did see where Roy Hill benefited by the current rules (twice I think at Houston) so it does happen

Anyway, for those who are irritated by any post (regardless of agenda) why read it and continue responding?....just skip over and let it go.....opinions and posts are the "juice" that makes this site worth opening (has the old Stock Super Stock Forum gone away? I was an early paying member but the last I looked it was dead)

Finally, whether posts like the red light rule can be changed by dialogue on this site: some posters "caution" that NHRA monitors our views, and I do know that the great muffler debate was impacted by the ferocity of negative posts on the then multiple racers sites.....I sat in with a dozen racers at Earlville Raceway in a round table when the muffler thing was going the wrong way, Rob Park was there, Len Imbrogno, Bill Rink, myself, Ron Taylor, Kevin Helms, Randy & Mike Mans, Leighton Schmidt and Bob Frey....the dialogue was hot and heavy, and that session along with many petitions helped sway the momentum...later Imbrogno indicated to me that the messages boards (at that time) gave NHRA a pause to reconsider and offer round tables and discussion groups....if there were any other round table discussions, I'm not aware of them

Believe me, Imbrogno, Parks and Frey got a real earful and a real sense of the passion on that issue (chairs were knocked over, voices raised and Mr Rink was a color of red that I've not seen since....and it wasn't sunburn!....message boards opened the door to that happening

So don't just pooh pooh racers having a place to have their opinions heard.....send letters and e-mails? Singular correspondence like that just gets trashed...I've sent Glendora 7 letters since 1997, never got a response.

How about that (gee that feels better)

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

You've convinced me that you're totally nuts.This has to be an act.Bill,which one are you??

I'm the one who raises logical, realistic pertinent, yet simple questions for YOU about the thread's subject.

YOU are the one who steadfastly refuses to answer ANY of them, as a matter of course, ostensibly (look it up) as a defense against revealing that you fail to understand ANY of this.... or, you just can't handle THE TRUTH,

Maybe both.

This last post of yours, was another case of more of the same.

There's nothing wrong with MY thinking; YOU are the one who (0r won't) can't face facts.

WHY didn't you answer the question(s)??????

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Chuck Beach

Nothing is fair in life or racing ..... deal with it ..

Some things can't be made fair.... some things can.

If we don't even attempt to change the unfair things that CAN be changed, they will always stay unfair,

Then we gave to live with it for the rest of our lives.

This unfair rule was never enacted as the result of any desire to give anyone an advantage. But it did, and continues to, to this day.

I don't see any reason to put up with it. Do you?

[Ed Fernandez]

Watch out Bill,they're coming for you.

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Watch out Bill,they're coming for you.

Once again, Ed you failed to answer the question...

How's your reading comprehension???


That's okay; I understand... you can't answer a question that will blow your whole rationale.... whatever that is...

And, quit putting pictures of your family on here.... I'm sure they don't appreciate the connection....

[jimi]

Originally Posted by bill dedman

Once again, Ed you failed to answer the question...

How's your reading comprehension???


That's okay; I understand... you can't answer a question that will blow your whole rationale.... whatever that is...

And, quit putting pictures of your family on here.... I'm sure they don't appreciate the connection....

ed thats your family? you lied to me again there not from brooklyn they are bottom feeders from the east river.

bill have you ever race heads up? like the pros. the first guy to leave that red lights LOOSES!!!!!! end of story............... no different than bracket racing . i will oppose this proposed rule change untill im dead.


P.S. 28 pages of pure crap!!!!!! this has been entertaining to say the least!!! keep up the good work guys.............................................. ........

[Bimbo Jones]

jimi, thats partly correct. A heads up race, both car can have a negative reaction time. Its just that the system just shows the worst light as red in this case it did happen first and the oppenent automatically gets a green light. A first or worst ruling. Your logic helps support Dedman's argument in my thinking.

[Rich Biebel]

Sounds like some sort of accent.......

Hows come he "LOOSES" dat race...

[Mark Yacavone]

Rich, I guess so . I see and hear it everyday, everywhere.
Apparently, in that language, losing is pronounced loosing, lose is spelled loose , whining is whinning ,and too is shortened to "to".
Not sure what that dialect is....

[bill dedman]

Originally Posted by jimi

ed thats your family? you lied to me again there not from brooklyn they are bottom feeders from the east river.

bill have you ever race heads up? like the pros. the first guy to leave that red lights LOOSES!!!!!! end of story............... no different than bracket racing . i will oppose this proposed rule change untill im dead.


P.S. 28 pages of pure crap!!!!!! this has been entertaining to say the least!!! keep up the good work guys.............................................. ........

Are you too dazed and confused by the vagaries of this subject to realize that the basic difference in the two scenarios you propose, one "heads up racing" and one "handicap racing," wherein the FIRST CAR to have a chance to red light, is ALWAYS the SLOWER CAR?

Think about that for just a moment, please.

If he red lights, the second car to leave NEVER gets a chance to red light.

Why should anyone have that advantage? You can't write advantages into the rule book; where would it end???? LOL!

That never happens in a heads up race, because the two cars have an EQUAL chance to red light when the light goes green. Slow car or fast, they both have an equal chance in heads-up racing.

All this worse red light rule would do is give BOTH cars each, their EQUAL chance to red light, JUST LIKE IT IS AN A HEADS-UP RACE. The handdicap forces one car to leave first, and giving the second car to leave a free ride, with NO red-light jeopardy if the first car to leave bulbs, is anything BUT a fair shake for both cars. In the interest of fairness to everybody, that rule needs to be changed.

THAT is the end of the story.