Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator??

chassis1 · 09-01-2011, 11:52 PM

How do you ever expect Class racing to move on if you do not appeal to the next generation? Money or not, most kids do not know anything about carbs or distributors. But they do know how to lap top tune and injector tables and maps.

All the whine and cheese here. Why not just get another hobby. Most of you do not even know what it is like to be a fan and not be able to participate. But yet you load up and be there days early why the average fan works his knuckle to the bones to afford to come and watch you race. You have all priviledges and others only dream to have something old or new.....

take it all for granite as others are happy that new cars appeal to the younger guys to keep it alive....

they could always go home and play x-box and Black Ops.....

BE THANKFUL!!!!!!.......others that you do not know thank YOU!!!!!! old or new cars..

Chassis1

skills · 09-02-2011, 12:00 AM

Chassis we aren't saying get rid of the new cars, believe me I enjoyed talking to dave thomas at e-town. His v-10 is sweet, but I don't want to hurt guys like ken miele because his cobra can't compete in aa/sa. Make is equal and bring them all in new camaros also. Pump up the pay outs and put some time and.energy into the sportsmen and you will get the new generation in. I am part of the new generation that likes turbo cars hell I have a turbo suv. Bring in the front drive cars let them have.fun too. The joy of stock is you can find anything look at Ed with his amc. How many guys want him in rd 1?

doglover44 · 09-02-2011, 12:17 AM

Heres my thought on the new cars I dont mind the new cars coming in to play put them in a class of there own Drag Paks and CJs together in one class of there own. AA/SA and A/SA is becoming a Jr Pro Stock

Ed Fernandez · 09-02-2011, 12:55 AM

Quote Chassis 1:How do you ever expect Class racing to move on if you do not appeal to the next generation? Money or not, most kids do not know anything about carbs or distributors. But they do know how to lap top tune and injector tables and maps.

All the whine and cheese here. Why not just get another hobby. Most of you do not even know what it is like to be a fan and not be able to participate. But yet you load up and be there days early why the average fan works his knuckle to the bones to afford to come and watch you race. You have all priviledges and others only dream to have something old or new.....

Put on a pair of glasses and see who owns or drives most of the new cars.Old farts with the money to afford these cars and all the associated costs.Most of the next generation driving these cars don't foot the bills.
Stop and take a look at the present day "fans".The majority are either clueless about our cars or just don't give a damn.They're there to get an autograpgh from Force or one of the other "main players".The old time S/SS fans are either gone or they're one of us either
driving or crewing.
If you do chassis work,like your title says,where do/did you make most of your money from,the old cars or the new ones?
There's room for the new cars,if NHRA get's their collective heads out of their a$$e$
and either correctly factors or puts these pretenders (HP wise) in their own class.

Alan Roehrich · 09-02-2011, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by chassis1

How do you ever expect Class racing to move on if you do not appeal to the next generation? Money or not, most kids do not know anything about carbs or distributors. But they do know how to lap top tune and injector tables and maps.

All the whine and cheese here. Why not just get another hobby. Most of you do not even know what it is like to be a fan and not be able to participate. But yet you load up and be there days early why the average fan works his knuckle to the bones to afford to come and watch you race. You have all priviledges and others only dream to have something old or new.....

take it all for granite as others are happy that new cars appeal to the younger guys to keep it alive....

they could always go home and play x-box and Black Ops.....

BE THANKFUL!!!!!!.......others that you do not know thank YOU!!!!!! old or new cars..

Chassis1

The problem with your position is the new FX factory race cars aren't bringing anyone new to Stock or Super Stock. Plain and simple. They sure aren't bringing new individuals. There are some guys with dealerships that might not have run the class before that have new cars now.

For all the hype we had blown at us about the new cars bringing droves of new fans, new participants, and great coverage, none of it has come true. None of it. The stands are still mostly empty, the car quotas are most often unfilled, there are no new magazine articles about Stock or Super Stock, and no new TV coverage either. Nothing.

What we DO have is guys either sitting at home most of the time or quitting completely.

The new cars have only served to change the basic premise of Stock Eliminator, that was once production cars, legal to license for street use, certified for safety and emissions, with valid VIN's, but is now "what ever the factories want to send NHRA the specifications for, even if they never actually build one single car like it."

I have yet to figure out how changing the basic premise of Stock Eliminator, the foundation of the class, so that it is no longer Stock Eliminator, is going to "save" Stock Eliminator.

Jim Kaekel · 09-02-2011, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chassis1

How do you ever expect Class racing to move on if you do not appeal to the next generation? Money or not, most kids do not know anything about carbs or distributors. But they do know how to lap top tune and injector tables and maps.
All the whine and cheese here. Why not just get another hobby. Most of you do not even know what it is like to be a fan and not be able to participate. But yet you load up and be there days early why the average fan works his knuckle to the bones to afford to come and watch you race. You have all priviledges and others only dream to have something old or new.....
take it all for granite as others are happy that new cars appeal to the younger guys to keep it alive....
they could always go home and play x-box and Black Ops.....

BE THANKFUL!!!!!!.......others that you do not know thank YOU!!!!!! old or new cars..

Chassis1

A lot of opinion here. Do you even race in Stock or Super Stock? For having such a bold opinion of real racers, why don't you sign your REAL NAME?

NWDragracing · 09-02-2011, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Kaekel

A lot of opinion here. Do you even race in Stock or Super Stock? For having such a bold opinion of real racers, why don't you sign your REAL NAME?

Jim,

Wes is a racer, engine builder and also the owner of Pro Header Systems and I think he has been racing a way bit longer in the Stock/Super Stock ranks than you.

http://proheadersystems.com/default.asp

Jim Kaekel · 09-02-2011, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NWDragracing

Jim,

Wes is a racer, engine builder and also the owner of Pro Header Systems and I think he has been racing a way bit longer in the Stock/Super Stock ranks than you.

http://proheadersystems.com/default.asp

Wes should still sign his name if he wants any credibility to be given. For your info, I'm 52 and have been racing since '81. Began NHRA LODRS racing in '91.

BlueOval Ralph · 09-02-2011, 09:18 AM

This has been said again and again and again!!!! Quickest wasy to fix is to BRING BACK EFI CLASSES!!!!

danny waters sr · 09-02-2011, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueOval Ralph

This has been said again and again and again!!!! Quickest wasy to fix is to BRING BACK EFI CLASSES!!!!

I agree with you 100% and i am not talking about you personally , just a comment and opinion.....

Most of you all look down on IHRA ,but at least they did exactly that and on top of that they have a EFI class for all 2008 and newer cars (example AA/FI , BB/FI , and so on if needed) so's they don't take advantage of the older irons.
Which leaves all the older cars still competitive and a place to race without having to worry to much about heads - up with the new cars...

09-01-2011, 11:52 PM	#1
chassis1 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: drag city, ne Posts: 92 Likes: 1 Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? How do you ever expect Class racing to move on if you do not appeal to the next generation? Money or not, most kids do not know anything about carbs or distributors. But they do know how to lap top tune and injector tables and maps. All the whine and cheese here. Why not just get another hobby. Most of you do not even know what it is like to be a fan and not be able to participate. But yet you load up and be there days early why the average fan works his knuckle to the bones to afford to come and watch you race. You have all priviledges and others only dream to have something old or new..... take it all for granite as others are happy that new cars appeal to the younger guys to keep it alive.... they could always go home and play x-box and Black Ops..... BE THANKFUL!!!!!!.......others that you do not know thank YOU!!!!!! old or new cars.. Chassis1

09-02-2011, 12:00 AM	#2
skills Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Hershey,pa Posts: 187 Likes: 0 Liked 8 Times in 1 Post	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? Chassis we aren't saying get rid of the new cars, believe me I enjoyed talking to dave thomas at e-town. His v-10 is sweet, but I don't want to hurt guys like ken miele because his cobra can't compete in aa/sa. Make is equal and bring them all in new camaros also. Pump up the pay outs and put some time and.energy into the sportsmen and you will get the new generation in. I am part of the new generation that likes turbo cars hell I have a turbo suv. Bring in the front drive cars let them have.fun too. The joy of stock is you can find anything look at Ed with his amc. How many guys want him in rd 1?

09-02-2011, 12:17 AM	#3
doglover44 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New Carlisle OH Posts: 1,398 Likes: 4 Liked 498 Times in 235 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? Heres my thought on the new cars I dont mind the new cars coming in to play put them in a class of there own Drag Paks and CJs together in one class of there own. AA/SA and A/SA is becoming a Jr Pro Stock __________________ Jake Biermann

09-02-2011, 12:55 AM	#4
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? Quote Chassis 1:How do you ever expect Class racing to move on if you do not appeal to the next generation? Money or not, most kids do not know anything about carbs or distributors. But they do know how to lap top tune and injector tables and maps. All the whine and cheese here. Why not just get another hobby. Most of you do not even know what it is like to be a fan and not be able to participate. But yet you load up and be there days early why the average fan works his knuckle to the bones to afford to come and watch you race. You have all priviledges and others only dream to have something old or new..... Put on a pair of glasses and see who owns or drives most of the new cars.Old farts with the money to afford these cars and all the associated costs.Most of the next generation driving these cars don't foot the bills. Stop and take a look at the present day "fans".The majority are either clueless about our cars or just don't give a damn.They're there to get an autograpgh from Force or one of the other "main players".The old time S/SS fans are either gone or they're one of us either driving or crewing. If you do chassis work,like your title says,where do/did you make most of your money from,the old cars or the new ones? There's room for the new cars,if NHRA get's their collective heads out of their a$$e$ and either correctly factors or puts these pretenders (HP wise) in their own class. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

09-02-2011, 09:18 AM	#9
BlueOval Ralph Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 852 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Back from Indy-what's happened to Stock Eliminator?? This has been said again and again and again!!!! Quickest wasy to fix is to BRING BACK EFI CLASSES!!!!