What's wrong with this picture?

CycloneFE · 10-08-2011, 07:18 PM

Bill,
If it is any consolation, even with one gen one Camaro in the stock final, they did not win. A Buick did though. I guess it just doesn't always pay to play the odds.

BOBBY BAKER · 10-09-2011, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cyclonefe

bill,
if it is any consolation, even with one gen one camaro in the stock final, they did not win. A buick did though. I guess it just doesn't always pay to play the odds.

lmao

Tony Curcio · 10-09-2011, 10:11 AM

We (my brother, Neal, our partner Jim Loney and I) made a decision in 2006 to build a 69 Camaro for stock eliminator precisely because it was the most common combination and very well scienced out.

This was kind of a bucket list thing for us. We wanted to know if we non-automotive, non-professionals had the skill to build a competitive stocker, and choosing a one-off combo wouldn't prove it definitively. If the one-off didn't run well, was it our fault, or because the combo is poor? Conversely, if it flew, was it because we are such geniuses, or is the factor too soft?

It didn't hurt that we already owned a rolling Camaro body.

69Cobra · 10-09-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony Curcio

We (my brother, Neal, our partner Jim Loney and I) made a decision in 2006 to build a 69 Camaro for stock eliminator precisely because it was the most common combination and very well scienced out.

This was kind of a bucket list thing for us. We wanted to know if we non-automotive, non-professionals had the skill to build a competitive stocker, and choosing a one-off combo wouldn't prove it definitively. If the one-off didn't run well, was it our fault, or because the combo is poor? Conversely, if it flew, was it because we are such geniuses, or is the factor too soft?

It didn't hurt that we already owned a rolling Camaro body.

So what's the verdict?

Tony Curcio · 10-09-2011, 10:32 AM

A class win at the Dutch Classic in 2009 and a national record at Budds Creek in 2010 and top ten in G/SA on Nitro Joe's list every year we've tried, except this year.

I've checked that one off the bucket list.

Jeff Lee · 10-09-2011, 11:32 AM

Financially, building a '67-'69 Camaro makes sense. Everything you want or need is a click away from purchasing and plenty affordable. How much is a new repo grille for a '69 Camaro? I'll bet they are $150 range. An NOS grille for my '70 AMX is $1500 or more. A good used one with only a few broken tabs is at least $500. And with a Camaro engine, you can go to any machine shop in the country and have a good chance of successfully getting a decent engine built. Not so with the off the wall engines. The list goes on and on.

And then when you go to sell it, what brings in the most money in the least amount of time? What brings in a higher return on your investment? I see 1st gen Camaro's posted here and elswhere and they seem to bring good money; quickly, while others are on the market seemingly forever at greatly discounted prices. And that includes other GM products against the 1st gen Camaro.

Chris Barnes · 10-09-2011, 02:07 PM

For reasons that are still unclear to me, I chose to build and run a '64 Plymouth Max Wedge station wagon. I've enjoyed the attention of being the oddest car at the track and I've never been one to back down from a challenge but Jeff is absolutely correct on all counts. When I was building it I had to reuse things that a Camaro owner could throw away. Did you know that tail lights are wagon only, not interchangeable between any years or models? When was the last time you saw any NOS back glass for a '64 Mopar wagon? Just opening a typical seized tailgate on a typical donor car becomes a daylong job when you absolutely must keep the glass intact!

The stuff that I can get is as bad as an AMX, we both have intense competition with the restoration crowd so prices are in the stratosphere. Not to mention many of them hate us for abusing the remaining parts on our race cars. I'm not going to even get started on building and maintaining a correct motor that the factory abandoned 47 years ago (after a three year run)...

Chris Barnes
Wagons of Steel
Stock 6621

http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1318183317

dragracer502 · 10-09-2011, 07:12 PM

LOL I love it! Not surprised to see so few "regulars" on here getting the joke though.
How dare you speak unkindly of any of "the Generals" combinations

Jim Wahl · 10-09-2011, 08:47 PM

Blasphemy! MoPar blasphemy! Jim

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10-08-2011, 07:18 PM	#1
CycloneFE Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Decatur Illinois Posts: 634 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What's wrong with this picture? Bill, If it is any consolation, even with one gen one Camaro in the stock final, they did not win. A Buick did though. I guess it just doesn't always pay to play the odds. __________________ Steve Jackson

10-09-2011, 10:11 AM	#3
Tony Curcio Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 271 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: What's wrong with this picture? We (my brother, Neal, our partner Jim Loney and I) made a decision in 2006 to build a 69 Camaro for stock eliminator precisely because it was the most common combination and very well scienced out. This was kind of a bucket list thing for us. We wanted to know if we non-automotive, non-professionals had the skill to build a competitive stocker, and choosing a one-off combo wouldn't prove it definitively. If the one-off didn't run well, was it our fault, or because the combo is poor? Conversely, if it flew, was it because we are such geniuses, or is the factor too soft? It didn't hurt that we already owned a rolling Camaro body. __________________ Tony Curcio 1860 STK

10-09-2011, 10:32 AM	#5
Tony Curcio Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 271 Likes: 1 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: What's wrong with this picture? A class win at the Dutch Classic in 2009 and a national record at Budds Creek in 2010 and top ten in G/SA on Nitro Joe's list every year we've tried, except this year. I've checked that one off the bucket list. __________________ Tony Curcio 1860 STK

10-09-2011, 11:32 AM	#6
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: What's wrong with this picture? Financially, building a '67-'69 Camaro makes sense. Everything you want or need is a click away from purchasing and plenty affordable. How much is a new repo grille for a '69 Camaro? I'll bet they are $150 range. An NOS grille for my '70 AMX is $1500 or more. A good used one with only a few broken tabs is at least $500. And with a Camaro engine, you can go to any machine shop in the country and have a good chance of successfully getting a decent engine built. Not so with the off the wall engines. The list goes on and on. And then when you go to sell it, what brings in the most money in the least amount of time? What brings in a higher return on your investment? I see 1st gen Camaro's posted here and elswhere and they seem to bring good money; quickly, while others are on the market seemingly forever at greatly discounted prices. And that includes other GM products against the 1st gen Camaro. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

10-09-2011, 02:07 PM	#7
Chris Barnes Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 139 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: What's wrong with this picture? For reasons that are still unclear to me, I chose to build and run a '64 Plymouth Max Wedge station wagon. I've enjoyed the attention of being the oddest car at the track and I've never been one to back down from a challenge but Jeff is absolutely correct on all counts. When I was building it I had to reuse things that a Camaro owner could throw away. Did you know that tail lights are wagon only, not interchangeable between any years or models? When was the last time you saw any NOS back glass for a '64 Mopar wagon? Just opening a typical seized tailgate on a typical donor car becomes a daylong job when you absolutely must keep the glass intact! The stuff that I can get is as bad as an AMX, we both have intense competition with the restoration crowd so prices are in the stratosphere. Not to mention many of them hate us for abusing the remaining parts on our race cars. I'm not going to even get started on building and maintaining a correct motor that the factory abandoned 47 years ago (after a three year run)... Chris Barnes Wagons of Steel Stock 6621 http://classracer.com/classforum/att...1&d=1318183317 Attached Thumbnails

10-09-2011, 07:12 PM	#8
dragracer502 Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 163 Likes: 6 Liked 10 Times in 8 Posts	Re: What's wrong with this picture? LOL I love it! Not surprised to see so few "regulars" on here getting the joke though. How dare you speak unkindly of any of "the Generals" combinations

10-09-2011, 08:47 PM	#9
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 666 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: What's wrong with this picture? Blasphemy! MoPar blasphemy! Jim . __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.