All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection

THE LEGEND · 12-12-2011, 01:45 PM

I will re-phrase then.
If you use shoe polish its a bracket race. In stock in some cases you have to qualify, In some cases you have heads -up runs, You have more rules but lack of tech it does'nt really matter. That being said Stock Eliminator is a very expensive form of BRACKET RACING.
Chip

THE LEGEND · 12-12-2011, 01:50 PM

Todd,
Other than INDY that 128 crap don't hold water anymore either. How many times did people not race this year because of full fields.
Chip

12-12-2011, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Todd,
Other than INDY that 128 crap don't hold water anymore either. How many times did people not race this year because of full fields.
Chip

Indy was still a qualified field, this year we had less cars competing. The bump wasn't crazy, but u still had to run well enough to get it. In the past in Division 1 we had to qualify to race a few of the races. That was years ago.
Chip, Tony, come race division 1 or 3 with a A through H stocker for a whole year and see how much bracket to heads up races you wind up with.

THE LEGEND · 12-12-2011, 02:28 PM

Todd,
go to my new Thread about heads-up and answer the question
Chip

Tony Janes · 12-12-2011, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Indy was still a qualified field, this year we had less cars competing. The bump wasn't crazy, but u still had to run well enough to get it. In the past in Division 1 we had to qualify to race a few of the races. That was years ago.
Chip, Tony, come race division 1 or 3 with a A through H stocker for a whole year and see how much bracket to heads up races you wind up with.

If I did come to Div 1 or 3 it would be a car lower than H probably M, N or O

Jeff Lee · 12-12-2011, 05:44 PM

This issue of "Class Racer" or "Bracket Racer" gets brought up often. And I would venture to say those that are the least successful "Class Racers" are the ones who expound the idea that Class Racers are nothing more than Bracket racers.
That being said, if your on the bracket side of the debate, on your arguments, a bracket car is nothing more than a street car.
Reminds me of the "end of the world" crowd. They've been denouncing life as we know it for centuries. True, one of these days they'll get it right but they've missed their deadlines thousands of times thus far.

THE LEGEND · 12-12-2011, 06:01 PM

Jeff,
I thought you were a lot smarter than that. It may be that way on the left coast but not east of the Mississippi.
A few names come to mind like Biondo,Bertozzi,Rampy,Beard, and a lot more that started off racing with shoe polish.
Chip

Rich Biebel · 12-12-2011, 07:02 PM

I can backup Todd's statement about barely making it in for a 128 car show at a Division 1 race....

I had my Firebird in A/FIA a few years ago and was 200+ lbs overweight.
I raced in A to avoid the real fast B cars....
My car was pretty slow as I was just getting going with a car like this....EFI LT-1 home built engine and fuel map...and it was not to good back than...

I made a decent first run in cool air and never gave a thought to possibly being bumped out of the field.....

I wound up 120 something out of a 150 something car field....but was worried I would be bumped out as more and more cars showed up....

I think I bulbed in round one for the umpteenth time it seemed like.....but at least I got to race....

If I knew it was going to be like that I could have probably sped it up more than enough to be solidly in the field....The weight was pretty much fixed where it was.....but I could have tried some other common speeder upper tricks....

I liked it though and I felt pretty proud just to be able to get in....

No where near as many cars the last few years.....

Chad Rhodes · 12-12-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Jeff,
I thought you were a lot smarter than that. It may be that way on the left coast but not east of the Mississippi.
A few names come to mind like Biondo,Bertozzi,Rampy,Beard, and a lot more that started off racing with shoe polish.
Chip

I think what Jeff is saying is that if you EMBRACE what class racing is (and it is not bracket racing), as opposed to looking at it like its a bracket race, you will be much more successful at it. The drivers you mentioned do JUST THAT. Does being a great bracket racer help you as a class racer? I don't think that's even up for a debate, of course it does. But if you don't adopt the mindset of class racing, you will be less successful at it.

Rich Biebel · 12-12-2011, 07:09 PM

oops

12-12-2011, 01:45 PM	#1
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection I will re-phrase then. If you use shoe polish its a bracket race. In stock in some cases you have to qualify, In some cases you have heads -up runs, You have more rules but lack of tech it does'nt really matter. That being said Stock Eliminator is a very expensive form of BRACKET RACING. Chip

12-12-2011, 01:50 PM	#2
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection Todd, Other than INDY that 128 crap don't hold water anymore either. How many times did people not race this year because of full fields. Chip

12-12-2011, 02:28 PM	#4
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection Todd, go to my new Thread about heads-up and answer the question Chip

12-12-2011, 05:44 PM	#6
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection This issue of "Class Racer" or "Bracket Racer" gets brought up often. And I would venture to say those that are the least successful "Class Racers" are the ones who expound the idea that Class Racers are nothing more than Bracket racers. That being said, if your on the bracket side of the debate, on your arguments, a bracket car is nothing more than a street car. Reminds me of the "end of the world" crowd. They've been denouncing life as we know it for centuries. True, one of these days they'll get it right but they've missed their deadlines thousands of times thus far. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

12-12-2011, 06:01 PM	#7
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection Jeff, I thought you were a lot smarter than that. It may be that way on the left coast but not east of the Mississippi. A few names come to mind like Biondo,Bertozzi,Rampy,Beard, and a lot more that started off racing with shoe polish. Chip

12-12-2011, 07:02 PM	#8
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection I can backup Todd's statement about barely making it in for a 128 car show at a Division 1 race.... I had my Firebird in A/FIA a few years ago and was 200+ lbs overweight. I raced in A to avoid the real fast B cars.... My car was pretty slow as I was just getting going with a car like this....EFI LT-1 home built engine and fuel map...and it was not to good back than... I made a decent first run in cool air and never gave a thought to possibly being bumped out of the field..... I wound up 120 something out of a 150 something car field....but was worried I would be bumped out as more and more cars showed up.... I think I bulbed in round one for the umpteenth time it seemed like.....but at least I got to race.... If I knew it was going to be like that I could have probably sped it up more than enough to be solidly in the field....The weight was pretty much fixed where it was.....but I could have tried some other common speeder upper tricks.... I liked it though and I felt pretty proud just to be able to get in.... No where near as many cars the last few years..... __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 12-12-2011 at 07:05 PM.

12-12-2011, 07:09 PM	#10
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,314 Likes: 25 Liked 544 Times in 213 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection oops __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Stock 147R Last edited by Rich Biebel; 12-12-2011 at 08:27 PM.