All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection - Page 7

12-12-2011, 09:23 PM

I've seen Rampy race, he has a full time crew chief. He never works on the car when he is at the races. He has never had to. Knowing how to bolt in a converter and doing it are 2 different things. BTW, I've seen his car win heads up races in that it's just a bracket race class. I think you are the guy smoking something..... CHIP the legend

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Scott,
It was definately different when you had to win class to race on Sunday. IHRA was like that once also.
It was different when you had to dial the record or the standard too.
it's different now.

Todd,
Are you telling me Rampy can't change convertor. Come on. I think you are smoking that same crap Jeff Lee is.
Chip Johnson

THE LEGEND · 12-12-2011, 10:19 PM

I saw Rampy come to NC back in the winter of 92 I think. It was a little outlaw track running a couple 5k races. He won sat and r/u on sunday BRACKET RACING. I saw him running .90 stuff in the 80's. No way in a million years will I ever believe he can't work on his own stuff. Just because he has a cewchief don't mean he can't do it.
I will tell you another one was Jim Harrington. In my opion one of the best. He could drive anything and won in most. He could and did work on the cars he drove.
Are you telling me Edmond and Scotty don't know nothing. They both are bracket racers that did well Class racing. In fact Edmond probably bracket races more than you peopl stock race.
Jeff Taylor started out bracket racing when he was 14 years old in NC. He even once saidafter winning one of his World Championships that he bracket raced to stay sharp. He thought it made him a better class racer. I guess he don't know anything either.
I could keep going on this subject.
Chip

12-12-2011, 10:59 PM

WHat the hell does David Rampy winning bracket races have to do with working on his car? Believe what you want. He was driving for people back then. He raced SS in the early 80's with a 72 Pontiac like I used to own, that Harold Stout used to own? Do you have any clue what your talking about???
I grew up watching Jim Harrington race, spent time at his school testing my car . I think the world of him, and was honored to know and race with him. He ran the tires off of everything he raced. I think Bertozzi owned the SS/ mod car he drove. I think he got help with the stocker in the years before he passed on. I remember him back in the day racing, he was hard on stuff. I don't remember him being a wrench, or using one often unless he had no choice. A great driver and even better guy, but not any kind of mechanic.
The Richardsons are drivers, and great ones at that. The car that Edmond drives is owned by the Faulk's . Scotty bought his car and just raced it, he mostly drives for people now. Neither guys are known for being mechanics, and they dont have to be.
Jeff Taylor is known as a SS and Comp engine builder/driver. Been doing it as long as I'm alive. He is not a fulltime bracket racer.

This whole thread is about teardown at races. Then somebody sugested no rules, teardown, and all dial. I had an opinion about it and you told me that we all need to wake up and realize it is almost all bracket racing. Now we are at this. Face it Chip you are wrong on both threads. When you are in a hole and cant get out...STOP DIGGING! As the famous and very missed Ed Obrien used to say. Have a nice day...

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

I saw Rampy come to NC back in the winter of 92 I think. It was a little outlaw track running a couple 5k races. He won sat and r/u on sunday BRACKET RACING. I saw him running .90 stuff in the 80's. No way in a million years will I ever believe he can't work on his own stuff. Just because he has a cewchief don't mean he can't do it.
I will tell you another one was Jim Harrington. In my opion one of the best. He could drive anything and won in most. He could and did work on the cars he drove.
Are you telling me Edmond and Scotty don't know nothing. They both are bracket racers that did well Class racing. In fact Edmond probably bracket races more than you peopl stock race.
Jeff Taylor started out bracket racing when he was 14 years old in NC. He even once saidafter winning one of his World Championships that he bracket raced to stay sharp. He thought it made him a better class racer. I guess he don't know anything either.
I could keep going on this subject.
Chip

Jeff Lee · 12-12-2011, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by THE LEGEND

Jeff,
I thought you were a lot smarter than that. It may be that way on the left coast but not east of the Mississippi.
A few names come to mind like Biondo,Bertozzi,Rampy,Beard, and a lot more that started off racing with shoe polish.
Chip

There's nothing wrong with bracket racing. No doubt most, if not all of us started there are maybe even continue there. But your constant inference that there is nothing special about class racing compared to bracket racing is old. Like I said, those that fail in class racing are the loudest proponents against class racing and are constantly calling for or predicting the demise of class racing. Sorry if you can't handle the truth but misery loves company.

THE LEGEND · 12-12-2011, 11:18 PM

Todd,
You are the one that said these guys can't turn a wrench. There is no way these guys have raced as long as they have with the kind success they have without getting their hands dirty. They all started out Bracket Racing whether they do much of it now or not.
Believe what you want.
Chip

THE LEGEND · 12-12-2011, 11:26 PM

Jeff,
Never said Class racing was'nt special. It takes "SPECIAL" people to do it, thats for sure. I do know and I will keep saying it, If you put Shoe polish on the window it's a bracket race.
If your last couple of sentences were directed at me, I thought I did o.k. Class Racing. I won a division Championship, finished TopTen in the World 3 times, Set some records, won class some, and had the honor to teardown too. I know it was in IHRA with a Crate Motor car but it is what it is.
No I did'nt build my motors orTransmissions, but I did get my hands dirty on them and laid on my back and bent over the fenders many a nights trying to make the car better. Ya'll keep it up and you may p!ss me off enough to build another one.
Chip Johnson

SS Engine Guy · 12-13-2011, 04:55 AM

The only part of Class Racing that is bracket racing is what the Bracket Racers needed in order to have a chance of succeeding in Class Racing. That BS started years ago. If you had to go FAST in order to win in eliminations you would see a big difference in the outcomes and the heros. No slam towards Bracket Racing. That is the divers section of Drag Racing. Class Racing started out being HP and skill at getting it off the line and down the track in the quickest (by the rules) way possible. And that is the way it should still be. But I know,-----evolution. We are going to be extinct if we keep up with all this evolution. Nothing I admire more than a good driver and a fast car that can pass tech. I didn't start out Bracket Racing because there basically was none. Nothing wrong at all with Bracket Racing, but don't drag it over here into Class Racing. If you think that Class Racing is just Bracket Racing then why not just go to Bracket Races and save the time fussing about it. Quit trying to change probably one of the most challenging areas of drag racing. Well, it used to be challenging. But with all the aftermarket enhancements brought about by "evolution", its getting less and less challenging to me and alot of other racers apparantly.

danny waters sr · 12-13-2011, 08:34 AM

The challange is getting greater as the rules get looser,along with the enforcement of rules and lack of stronger tech..
This is two problems within themselves.
Again the sanctions do not bring the help they need to enforce..
When i was teching at IHRA ,there was a lot of things i tried to do to keep the drivers on their toes,such as alternators and belts ,loose ballast,two step buttons , and other things that i could pretty much do on my own.
At Baton Rouge ,i caught at least 6 stockers without alt belts and a few loose ballast.
As i said the lack of help is one of the major problems in checking and monitoring these things..I tried but believe me it is not a one-man show....

Ed Wright · 12-14-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SS Engine Guy

The only part of Class Racing that is bracket racing is what the Bracket Racers needed in order to have a chance of succeeding in Class Racing. That BS started years ago. If you had to go FAST in order to win in eliminations you would see a big difference in the outcomes and the heros. No slam towards Bracket Racing. That is the divers section of Drag Racing. Class Racing started out being HP and skill at getting it off the line and down the track in the quickest (by the rules) way possible. And that is the way it should still be. But I know,-----evolution. We are going to be extinct if we keep up with all this evolution. Nothing I admire more than a good driver and a fast car that can pass tech. I didn't start out Bracket Racing because there basically was none. Nothing wrong at all with Bracket Racing, but don't drag it over here into Class Racing. If you think that Class Racing is just Bracket Racing then why not just go to Bracket Races and save the time fussing about it. Quit trying to change probably one of the most challenging areas of drag racing. Well, it used to be challenging. But with all the aftermarket enhancements brought about by "evolution", its getting less and less challenging to me and alot of other racers apparantly.

Very good post. It is now way dumbed down so the bracket racers can compete. Put things back like they started out and a lot would have to go back to just bracket racing. How many today would drive to Pomona only to have somebody hand you your tail first round of class, and send you home with no chance of running eliminations, and ever go back again? Nobody anymore. We did it all the time.

bubski · 12-14-2011, 08:12 PM

there should be teardown for winners and runners up,race should be done on saturday if possible to allow time to do it . but that aint gonna happen cause nhra dont give a ***** who wins or what they do to win. nhra wont spend the money to have a by the book tech dept with the balls to enforce the rules.[why should they when you will give them ridiculous entry fees now to get hosed at every race]. who would wanna be a tech inspector anyway for the pitance they pay them and a good shot at getting into a fight trying to tell someone that just cause their head doesnt have nice cnc marks on it doesnt mean that its not altered. times are a changing in racing and life in general and going by the rules is not so admirable anymore. the new mentality is whatever it takes to get mine ,right or wrong and it cannot be undone. class racing needs ridgid enforcement of the rules , or it becomes just another bracket race [no offense to bracket people] but the way its going its gonna be like nmra type racing with very loose rules and only a few combos that are competitive.

12-12-2011, 10:19 PM	#62
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection I saw Rampy come to NC back in the winter of 92 I think. It was a little outlaw track running a couple 5k races. He won sat and r/u on sunday BRACKET RACING. I saw him running .90 stuff in the 80's. No way in a million years will I ever believe he can't work on his own stuff. Just because he has a cewchief don't mean he can't do it. I will tell you another one was Jim Harrington. In my opion one of the best. He could drive anything and won in most. He could and did work on the cars he drove. Are you telling me Edmond and Scotty don't know nothing. They both are bracket racers that did well Class racing. In fact Edmond probably bracket races more than you peopl stock race. Jeff Taylor started out bracket racing when he was 14 years old in NC. He even once saidafter winning one of his World Championships that he bracket raced to stay sharp. He thought it made him a better class racer. I guess he don't know anything either. I could keep going on this subject. Chip

12-12-2011, 11:18 PM	#65
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection Todd, You are the one that said these guys can't turn a wrench. There is no way these guys have raced as long as they have with the kind success they have without getting their hands dirty. They all started out Bracket Racing whether they do much of it now or not. Believe what you want. Chip

12-12-2011, 11:26 PM	#66
THE LEGEND VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Fayetteville, n.c. Posts: 1,411 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection Jeff, Never said Class racing was'nt special. It takes "SPECIAL" people to do it, thats for sure. I do know and I will keep saying it, If you put Shoe polish on the window it's a bracket race. If your last couple of sentences were directed at me, I thought I did o.k. Class Racing. I won a division Championship, finished TopTen in the World 3 times, Set some records, won class some, and had the honor to teardown too. I know it was in IHRA with a Crate Motor car but it is what it is. No I did'nt build my motors orTransmissions, but I did get my hands dirty on them and laid on my back and bent over the fenders many a nights trying to make the car better. Ya'll keep it up and you may p!ss me off enough to build another one. Chip Johnson

12-13-2011, 04:55 AM	#67
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection The only part of Class Racing that is bracket racing is what the Bracket Racers needed in order to have a chance of succeeding in Class Racing. That BS started years ago. If you had to go FAST in order to win in eliminations you would see a big difference in the outcomes and the heros. No slam towards Bracket Racing. That is the divers section of Drag Racing. Class Racing started out being HP and skill at getting it off the line and down the track in the quickest (by the rules) way possible. And that is the way it should still be. But I know,-----evolution. We are going to be extinct if we keep up with all this evolution. Nothing I admire more than a good driver and a fast car that can pass tech. I didn't start out Bracket Racing because there basically was none. Nothing wrong at all with Bracket Racing, but don't drag it over here into Class Racing. If you think that Class Racing is just Bracket Racing then why not just go to Bracket Races and save the time fussing about it. Quit trying to change probably one of the most challenging areas of drag racing. Well, it used to be challenging. But with all the aftermarket enhancements brought about by "evolution", its getting less and less challenging to me and alot of other racers apparantly.

12-13-2011, 08:34 AM	#68
danny waters sr VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: lagrange,nc Posts: 2,224 Likes: 1 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection The challange is getting greater as the rules get looser,along with the enforcement of rules and lack of stronger tech.. This is two problems within themselves. Again the sanctions do not bring the help they need to enforce.. When i was teching at IHRA ,there was a lot of things i tried to do to keep the drivers on their toes,such as alternators and belts ,loose ballast,two step buttons , and other things that i could pretty much do on my own. At Baton Rouge ,i caught at least 6 stockers without alt belts and a few loose ballast. As i said the lack of help is one of the major problems in checking and monitoring these things..I tried but believe me it is not a one-man show.... __________________ Danny Waters, Sr / 73 Duster "340"

12-14-2011, 08:12 PM	#70
bubski Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 228 Likes: 14 Liked 165 Times in 60 Posts	Re: All major event s/ss winners undrgo tech inspection there should be teardown for winners and runners up,race should be done on saturday if possible to allow time to do it . but that aint gonna happen cause nhra dont give a ***** who wins or what they do to win. nhra wont spend the money to have a by the book tech dept with the balls to enforce the rules.[why should they when you will give them ridiculous entry fees now to get hosed at every race]. who would wanna be a tech inspector anyway for the pitance they pay them and a good shot at getting into a fight trying to tell someone that just cause their head doesnt have nice cnc marks on it doesnt mean that its not altered. times are a changing in racing and life in general and going by the rules is not so admirable anymore. the new mentality is whatever it takes to get mine ,right or wrong and it cannot be undone. class racing needs ridgid enforcement of the rules , or it becomes just another bracket race [no offense to bracket people] but the way its going its gonna be like nmra type racing with very loose rules and only a few combos that are competitive.