They say you can't go back....but...?? - Page 3

Tony Janes · 12-25-2011, 02:54 PM

The big problem is there is now another eliminator. NHRA is not going to have three eliminators for door cars. Second problem is there to much policing. The tear downs of the sixties and seventies are gone for good, they cost to much in time

Billy Nees · 12-25-2011, 03:27 PM

I've gotta agree with Tony, I can even see another eliminator but you're never going to see anything that is going to require MORE tech. That's why Stock is on it's way to becoming a " looks stock, flat hood, 9" tire" eliminator.

X-TECH MAN · 12-25-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hanig

What would we do with the thousnds of dollars we have already spent,for those parts.? Jim Hanig

Thats why they make land fills.Throw the junk away.....LOL.

Mark Yacavone · 12-25-2011, 11:49 PM

Mikey, so you are really advocating the NHRA adopt another IHRA class..
Won't be the first time.
I agree on the need for an entry level class, but it's not just the cost of a Stocker that's the issue.
How about the $305 entries? Membership, permanent number fees...I don't even know what they are now,,....$10 a gallon racing fuel ? Diesel fuel or pump gas for towing ,etc, etc?
NO money for a class win! NO money till 3rd round.....
Nobody on the outside, in their right mind, would want to jump in to that.

treessavoy · 12-26-2011, 01:22 AM

If you wanna go back then you have to run off class records which means rich guys win, just like the "good old days"!

JimR

OLD INJUN · 12-26-2011, 08:53 AM

this is what i think , listen to this.

Billy Nees · 12-26-2011, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Mikey, so you are really advocating the NHRA adopt another IHRA class..
Won't be the first time.
I agree on the need for an entry level class, but it's not just the cost of a Stocker that's the issue.
How about the $305 entries? Membership, permanent number fees...I don't even know what they are now,,....$10 a gallon racing fuel ? Diesel fuel or pump gas for towing ,etc, etc?
NO money for a class win! NO money till 3rd round.....
Nobody on the outside, in their right mind, would want to jump in to that.

I can't think of any way NHRA could come up with any kind of "Entry Level" class in this day and age. They tried a few years ago to sell S/ST as "Entry Level" and it just wound up being 632s in old S/G and SS cars. Stockers can still be built reasonably but even with our best intentions (Dime Rocket threads) in hand I don't see any cars being built. I think NHRA has just thrown the whole "Entry Level" deal into the laps of the local tracks and are happy to collect their "Cut".

Bobby Fazio · 12-26-2011, 01:04 PM

Mike I think it's an awesome idea. The few young people who still enjoy muscle cars and actively attend national events would get their chance to shine on a small budget if there was a pure stock class. I think it would bring in new blood. Jack and Vic, please post valid reasons why you don't agree other than the usual "no".

Other than that I do see the need for the additional tech as a problem because of NHRA's deep pockets and short arms. From an investment point of view, the playing field would be leveled out a bit thus getting more entry level racers but, also, think of all the bracket racers who don't give class racing a thought because of its high cost, they may want to join in now. This results in more entries(more revenue), more attendance with those racers(more revenue), more memberships(more revenue), more competition numbers(more revenue).

Ed Wright · 12-26-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by treessavoy

If you wanna go back then you have to run off class records which means rich guys win, just like the "good old days"!

JimR

Jim, I raced then. It wasn't so much "rich guys" as it was guys with some ability doing their own work winning. We weren't running over with check book racers like we are now. Not nearly as many "rich guys" in the U.S. as there is now. Things were different, people were different.

Jim Wahl · 12-26-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Jim, I raced then. It wasn't so much "rich guys" as it was guys with some ability doing their own work winning. We weren't running over with check book racers like we are now. Not nearly as many "rich guys" in the U.S. as there is now. Things were different, people were different.

It's hard to argue with that! Jim

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12-25-2011, 02:54 PM	#21
Tony Janes Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Whittier, Ca Posts: 830 Likes: 94 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: They say you can't go back....but...?? The big problem is there is now another eliminator. NHRA is not going to have three eliminators for door cars. Second problem is there to much policing. The tear downs of the sixties and seventies are gone for good, they cost to much in time __________________ Tony Janes 7941 STK, SS

12-25-2011, 03:27 PM	#22
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,496 Likes: 3,600 Liked 7,758 Times in 1,741 Posts	Re: They say you can't go back....but...?? I've gotta agree with Tony, I can even see another eliminator but you're never going to see anything that is going to require MORE tech. That's why Stock is on it's way to becoming a " looks stock, flat hood, 9" tire" eliminator. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS I'm not spending 100K to win 2K

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Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,817 Likes: 2,907 Liked 5,125 Times in 1,953 Posts	Re: They say you can't go back....but...?? Mikey, so you are really advocating the NHRA adopt another IHRA class.. Won't be the first time. I agree on the need for an entry level class, but it's not just the cost of a Stocker that's the issue. How about the $305 entries? Membership, permanent number fees...I don't even know what they are now,,....$10 a gallon racing fuel ? Diesel fuel or pump gas for towing ,etc, etc? NO money for a class win! NO money till 3rd round..... Nobody on the outside, in their right mind, would want to jump in to that. __________________ "We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for." Will Rogers

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treessavoy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Dunnellon,FL Posts: 1,103 Likes: 0 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: They say you can't go back....but...?? If you wanna go back then you have to run off class records which means rich guys win, just like the "good old days"! JimR __________________ Jim Rountree

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Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,468 Likes: 1,450 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Re: They say you can't go back....but...?? Mike I think it's an awesome idea. The few young people who still enjoy muscle cars and actively attend national events would get their chance to shine on a small budget if there was a pure stock class. I think it would bring in new blood. Jack and Vic, please post valid reasons why you don't agree other than the usual "no". Other than that I do see the need for the additional tech as a problem because of NHRA's deep pockets and short arms. From an investment point of view, the playing field would be leveled out a bit thus getting more entry level racers but, also, think of all the bracket racers who don't give class racing a thought because of its high cost, they may want to join in now. This results in more entries(more revenue), more attendance with those racers(more revenue), more memberships(more revenue), more competition numbers(more revenue). __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com