They say you can't go back....but...??

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by SStock1373

Mike I think it's an awesome idea. The few young people who still enjoy muscle cars and actively attend national events would get their chance to shine on a small budget if there was a pure stock class. I think it would bring in new blood.

I hate to say it Bobby but it's never gonna happen. The tighter you make the rules, the easier it is to cheat, the more Tech you need to police it, the more it costs the NHRA.
Something that might fly with NHRA and Racers on a tight budget would be some kind of a factored HP to wt. deal using SEALED, approved crate engines. The crate engines do exist, they would be easy to police, just look for the sheared bolts. NHRA could probably get some factory replacement parts money. Maybe 4-6 classes in Stock or SS on top of what we have.
And OBTW, it"s gonna take more than "a few young people" to fly.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by SStock1373

Mike I think it's an awesome idea. The few young people who still enjoy muscle cars and actively attend national events would get their chance to shine on a small budget if there was a pure stock class. I think it would bring in new blood. Jack and Vic, please post valid reasons why you don't agree other than the usual "no".

Bobby - You and I could debate this issue 'till the cows come home but because you haven't been "around the block" as many times as I have you just won't get it .Also , because you already have a pure stocker your point of view might be biased .That said are you ready to compete nationally ? Are you ready to pull a piston and rod if asked ? And you will be at some time ..........along with everything else the rules must be the same for traditional stockers and pure stockers alike .

[Don Carpenter]

Billy,
I think NHRA had just what you are talking about in mind when they started running index classes at divisionals. But guess what? Little to no participation. I guess it takes less effort to scrible shoe polish on the window instead of making your car run the number!
How about stock and super stock start running a 32 or 64car qualified field off the index, dnq's can run the index classes. You might call it forced participation but it may create interest in those classes. Or you could have a consolation bracket race since thats what most want to do. But god forbid, don't call it a bracket race. Its a combo race!

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Don Carpenter

Billy,
I think NHRA had just what you are talking about in mind when they started running index classes at divisionals. But guess what? Little to no participation.

Don, I've always considered myself a Bracket Racer that went Class Racing. That being said, go to Pittsburgh and try to explain to some of the racers there how it makes sense to spent 3 or 4 or 6 days at a track for 1 race let alone that you spent $150 or $170 or $300 to win $1 or 2 thousand! The IHRA stuff is less expensive than the NHRA but you've got to win the race to break even let alone make anything. When you look at it from that point of view how can the N or I expect any participation?

[Jim Hanig]

Originally Posted by X-TECH MAN

Thats why they make land fills.Throw the junk away.....LOL.

Maybe thats what you can afford, I cant . Why cant we stop the changes now , every year its somthing else, and we come up with new ways to fix it.After the fact. PS if you have a load of this stuff give me a call ill save you a trip to the land fill. Jim Hanig

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jim Hanig

Maybe thats what you can afford, I cant . Why cant we stop the changes now PS if you have a load of this stuff give me a call ill save you a trip to the land fill. Jim Hanig

I'm all for stoping the changes even though most of my stuff winds up going back to the landfill I found it in anyway!

[vic guilmino]

all changes made by nhra are ask for by the racers
and safety
the roller rocker has been ask for by a lot of racers for along time

[Hemiparts]

[QUOTE=SStock1373;300925]Mike I think it's an awesome idea. The few young people who still enjoy muscle cars and actively attend national events would get their chance to shine on a small budget if there was a pure stock class. I think it would bring in new blood. Jack and Vic, please post valid reasons why you don't agree other than the usual "no".

I am one of those young people who would love to have an entry level class that i can get in to. I am one of the few who go to the hot dog stand while the fuel cars run so i can be back in my seat to watch the sportsman racers. I have a car in the garage right now that i could use as a pure stock car and park my Duster in the shop and use it as a bracket race car. I really hope someone see this and decides to do something to bring more of us " young folks " into the sport and stop pushing us in to " Outlaw Class " type of racing ( 275 radial / 10.5 tire) As they see your number od racer getting smaller just remember Out of Sight Out of Mind.

Chris

[Billy Nees]

Not for nothing Chris but if you were really serious about going "legal" racing you could build an "entry level" 318 or slant 6 for your Duster!

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by vic guilmino

all changes made by nhra are ask for by the racers
and safety
the roller rocker has been ask for by a lot of racers for along time

That may well be true, but I think NHRA would do everybody a favor if they put such proposed changes to a vote by the racers that could be affected. NHRA has records that show who has a current NHRA Stock or S/S competition number or licence, they also have records that show which of those racers have actually competed in any NHRA National or LODRS events in recent times. Considering that to enter a National event, you have to enter online, usinng a Email adress, they have that info too. Sooo..., how hard would it be to inform these active racers about proposed changes to their Eliminator? It seems that NHRA often changes things based on "consultation with a number of Stock racers", well they have never asked me, or any of other racers that I know. I believe that when the big step of allowing ported heads in S/S many years ago, that was decided by a vote of racers. Personally, if this procedure had been in place the past 10 years ago, I would have voted against almost every "proposal", "enhanchment", "improvement", or change that has been brought in during that time. Maybe the majority would have voted differently than myself, but at least I would have been able to make my opinion known by such a ballot.