I Told You So!

[Ed Fernandez]

Eddie,the Huffington Post??????????? Tsk,tsk,tsk..........................






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[tj310]

So what date is the aquittal scheduled for ? What will be the prime areas to avoid if we are traveling ? ---Trevor

[Eddies66]

Here is a few questions that any logical person may ask. I for one do not believe it is a crime in this country to wear a “hoodie” especially if it is raining, it is not a crime to go to the store and buy Skittles and ice tea and it is not a crime to be out at night.
On the night of the shooting, door-to-door canvassing was not exhaustive enough, said a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation. If officers had been more thorough, they might have determined that Mr. Martin, 17, was a guest — as opposed to an intruder — at a gated community called the Retreat at Twin Lakes. That would have been an important part of the subjective analysis that night by officers sizing up Mr. Zimmerman’s story. Investigators found no witnesses who saw the fight start. Others saw parts of a struggle they could not clearly observe or hear. One witness, though, provided information to the police that corroborated Mr. Zimmerman’s account of the struggle, according to a law enforcement official.
The police took only one photo at the scene of any of Mr. Zimmerman’s injuries — a full-face picture of him that showed a bloodied nose — before paramedics tended to him. It was shot on a department cellphone camera and was not downloaded for a few days, an oversight by the officer who took it.
The vehicle that Mr. Zimmerman was driving when he first spotted Mr. Martin was mistakenly not secured by officers as part of the crime scene. The vehicle was an important link in the fatal encounter because it was where Mr. Zimmerman called the police to report a suspicious teenager in a hooded sweatshirt roaming through the Retreat. Mr. Zimmerman also said he was walking back to the vehicle when he was confronted by Mr. Martin, who was unarmed, before shooting him.
The police were not able to cover the crime scene to shield evidence from the rain, and any blood from cuts that Mr. Zimmerman suffered when he said Mr. Martin pounded his head into a sidewalk may have been washed away.
The police did not test Mr. Zimmerman for alcohol or drug use that night, and one witness said the lead investigator quickly jumped to a conclusion that it was Mr. Zimmerman, and not Mr. Martin, who cried for help during the struggle.
Some Sanford officers were skeptical from the beginning about certain details of Mr. Zimmerman’s account. For instance, he told the police that Mr. Martin had punched him over and over again, but they questioned whether his injuries were consistent with the number of blows he claimed he received. They also suspected that some of the threatening and dramatic language that Mr. Zimmerman said Mr. Martin uttered during the struggle — like “You are going to die tonight” — sounded contrived.
The Sanford police — who contended that their 16-day investigation, done in consultation with the original prosecutor in the case, was detailed and impartial — also encountered other obstacles. One involved the investigators’ inability to get the password for Mr. Martin’s cellphone from his family, who apparently did not know it. That was significant because Mr. Martin had been talking to a girl on the phone moments before he was killed, but the young woman did not contact the police after Mr. Martin’s death was made public.
Police Chief Bill Lee Jr., said in a recent interview. “We think that what he did was terrible. We wish that he had just stayed in his vehicle.” Twice Mr. Zimmerman was told to stay in his vehicle and wait for the police to come. There are 8 minutes from the time Mr. Zimmerman left his vehicle to the time Mr. Martin was shot. Was Mr. Zimmerman defending himself or was Mr. Martin actually defending himself from this over-zealous, agenda driven, armed want-a-be cop??

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Eddie,the Huffington Post??????????? Tsk,tsk,tsk..........................






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My subscription to the "The Weekly Standard" ran out.

[art leong]

Eddie you make it sound like this was a targeted hit.
Everyone agrees Trayon should not have been killed. He was not breaking the law.
But by the same token Zimmerman might not have broken any law either. It is not against the law to disregard a 911 operator. They are not law enforcement, they are phone operators.
It is not against the law to follow someone. Even if the 911 operator said not to.
The police have had all this "new" info since the day this happened. That is probably why they didn't charge him at the time.
Now there is rumors of a federal hate crime charge.
This is just mob mentality, looking for revenge.
I believe (looking at the evidence the media has put out) that he won't even go to trial.
Or if he does he'll be aquitted.

I for one am sick and tired of the double standard. If a white or straight, or "rich" person has a problem with a person of color, or a non hetrosexual, or poor person It is called a hate crime.
But if it's the other way around it's just an assault or a mugging.
The assault a couple a weeks ago in Norfolk Va was a prime example. A mob of Black men surrounds a car with 2 white peolple. 5 of them beat the man and woman severly enough to cause over a weeks absence from work.The only station that had the guts to report on it was Fox.
Where was "your" reverend al or jesse? Where is the DOJ on this one. Did the man and woman have any civil rights?

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by art leong

Eddie you make it sound like this was a targeted hit.
Everyone agrees Trayon should not have been killed. He was not breaking the law.
But by the same token Zimmerman might not have broken any law either. It is not against the law to disregard a 911 operator. They are not law enforcement, they are phone operators.
It is not against the law to follow someone. Even if the 911 operator said not to.
The police have had all this "new" info since the day this happened. That is probably why they didn't charge him at the time.
Now there is rumors of a federal hate crime charge.
This is just mob mentality, looking for revenge.
I believe (looking at the evidence the media has put out) that he won't even go to trial.
Or if he does he'll be aquitted.

I for one am sick and tired of the double standard. If a white or straight, or "rich" person has a problem with a person of color, or a non hetrosexual, or poor person It is called a hate crime.
But if it's the other way around it's just an assault or a mugging.
The assault a couple a weeks ago in Norfolk Va was a prime example. A mob of Black men surrounds a car with 2 white peolple. 5 of them beat the man and woman severly enough to cause over a weeks absence from work.The only station that had the guts to report on it was Fox.
Where was "your" reverend al or jesse? Where is the DOJ on this one. Did the man and woman have any civil rights?

Your last paragraph and a half has no relevance to me, I really don't care what Al or Jessie have to say. My point is the poor investigative actions by the Stanford police that will lead to an acquital because the police "might not have done there jobs". Many on this site will say that if Mr. Zimmerman goes to jail that it will impose on our rights for self protection. Again that is not the focus. Police are limited in approaching stranger unless there is probable cause. Mr. Zimmerman is not trained to be a policeman. He was carrying a gun. Mr. Martin was a young black man in the wrong neighborhood. He did not deserve to die. For Mr. Martin’s life to have any meaning, a message has to be sent. Neighborhood watch is not for confronting. It is there to observe and report it to the police who are trained in confrontation. If you want to confront then don't carry a gun around. Nobody has the right to shoot an unarmed person even if the shooter is afraid.

As far as people saying that Mr. Zimmerman's injuries support his defense that he had to defend himself, that correlation cannot be made. His victim was most likely the one trying to defend himself. If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, and there is a strong likelihood based on what we know and the fact that Mr. Martin was aggressively pursued (against police instructions), that might be exactly what happened. Mr. Zimmerman being beat up may only confirm the threat that Mr. Martin felt, having no idea this guy was a neighborhood watchman but only knowing he was pursuing him with a gun. I can't imagine any of us would feel otherwise if we were in his situation.

Justice, whatever that may be in this case, might never come though because the police from the moment they arrived, didn't take this murder investigation seriously enough. Just my opinion!

[Alan Roehrich]

Yeah, because it is always smart, the right thing to do, and legal, to confront someone you think is following you.

The complete lack of logic in some of these posts is amazing.

So is the number and level of assumptions.

Who says Martin's life is supposed to "have meaning"?

Is the life of every criminal who is killed during the commission of a crime supposed to "have meaning"? Yeah, assault is a crime.

It is every bit as likely that the incident went exactly as Zimmerman says it did. It is entirely possible that Zimmerman was returning to his car, Martin confronted him, attacked him, and he shot Martin to keep Martin from continuing to bash his head into the concrete sidewalk. That is, by the way, legal and proper use of lethal force in most every state in the union.

You, Eddie, have convicted Zimmerman without first hand knowledge of any evidence, with nothing more than assumptions. You do not know if anything you have posted is even remotely true. And then you go further and attempt to crucify the police, who were actually there, as being incompetent, or worse, corrupt.

Yet Martin, who was sent to stay with his father because he would not stay out of trouble and obey his mother, you portray as being as pure as the driven snow, despite evidence to the contrary. Namely his criminal activity that got him in trouble and sent to stay with his father to begin with.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Your last paragraph and a half has no relevance to me, I really don't care what Al or Jessie have to say. My point is the poor investigative actions by the Stanford police that will lead to an acquital because the police "might not have done there jobs". Many on this site will say that if Mr. Zimmerman goes to jail that it will impose on our rights for self protection. Again that is not the focus. Police are limited in approaching stranger unless there is probable cause. Mr. Zimmerman is not trained to be a policeman. He was carrying a gun. Mr. Martin was a young black man in the wrong neighborhood. He did not deserve to die. For Mr. Martin’s life to have any meaning, a message has to be sent. Neighborhood watch is not for confronting. It is there to observe and report it to the police who are trained in confrontation. If you want to confront then don't carry a gun around. Nobody has the right to shoot an unarmed person even if the shooter is afraid.

As far as people saying that Mr. Zimmerman's injuries support his defense that he had to defend himself, that correlation cannot be made. His victim was most likely the one trying to defend himself. If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, and there is a strong likelihood based on what we know and the fact that Mr. Martin was aggressively pursued (against police instructions), that might be exactly what happened. Mr. Zimmerman being beat up may only confirm the threat that Mr. Martin felt, having no idea this guy was a neighborhood watchman but only knowing he was pursuing him with a gun. I can't imagine any of us would feel otherwise if we were in his situation.

Justice, whatever that may be in this case, might never come though because the police from the moment they arrived, didn't take this murder investigation seriously enough. Just my opinion!

This is so full of nonsense and conjecture, I won't waste much time with it...

One quick example:

" If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, "


You have NO evidence of this ever happening in this case.... NONE!

[Randall Klein]

For the life of me, I can't understand why the media hasn't posted a cute baby picture of Martin, rather than the semi-angelic photo of a young Martin or the more recent picture that is closer to reality

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

This is so full of nonsense and conjecture, I won't waste much time with it...

One quick example:

" If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, "


You have NO evidence of this ever happening in this case.... NONE!

The only one that can answer for that 8 minutes is Zimmerman and he ain't talking. And you have NO evidence to the contrary.....NONE!