I Told You So!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

Your last paragraph and a half has no relevance to me, I really don't care what Al or Jessie have to say. My point is the poor investigative actions by the Stanford police that will lead to an acquital because the police "might not have done there jobs". Many on this site will say that if Mr. Zimmerman goes to jail that it will impose on our rights for self protection. Again that is not the focus. Police are limited in approaching stranger unless there is probable cause. Mr. Zimmerman is not trained to be a policeman. He was carrying a gun. Mr. Martin was a young black man in the wrong neighborhood. He did not deserve to die. For Mr. Martin’s life to have any meaning, a message has to be sent. Neighborhood watch is not for confronting. It is there to observe and report it to the police who are trained in confrontation. If you want to confront then don't carry a gun around. Nobody has the right to shoot an unarmed person even if the shooter is afraid.

As far as people saying that Mr. Zimmerman's injuries support his defense that he had to defend himself, that correlation cannot be made. His victim was most likely the one trying to defend himself. If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, and there is a strong likelihood based on what we know and the fact that Mr. Martin was aggressively pursued (against police instructions), that might be exactly what happened. Mr. Zimmerman being beat up may only confirm the threat that Mr. Martin felt, having no idea this guy was a neighborhood watchman but only knowing he was pursuing him with a gun. I can't imagine any of us would feel otherwise if we were in his situation.

Justice, whatever that may be in this case, might never come though because the police from the moment they arrived, didn't take this murder investigation seriously enough. Just my opinion!

This is so full of nonsense and conjecture, I won't waste much time with it...

One quick example:

" If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, "


You have NO evidence of this ever happening in this case.... NONE!

[Randall Klein]

For the life of me, I can't understand why the media hasn't posted a cute baby picture of Martin, rather than the semi-angelic photo of a young Martin or the more recent picture that is closer to reality

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

This is so full of nonsense and conjecture, I won't waste much time with it...

One quick example:

" If someone chased me down with a gun you better believe I would fight for my life, "


You have NO evidence of this ever happening in this case.... NONE!

The only one that can answer for that 8 minutes is Zimmerman and he ain't talking. And you have NO evidence to the contrary.....NONE!

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

The only one that can answer for that 8 minutes is Zimmerman and he ain't talking. And you have NO evidence to the contrary.....NONE!

...And YOU are taking sides and trying the case in public...I am not!

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

...And YOU are taking sides and trying the case in public...I am not!

The only side I am taking is the one that offers "liberty and justice for all"

[art leong]

Eddie.
You talk about a lot of stuff that sounds good to you but has absolutly no basis in law.
Fact. Under the Florida stand your ground law the person that confronts you does not have to be armed. So yes it is legal to shoot an unarmed person. If he was attacked he had every right to shoot.
Zimmerman was not breaking any law by carrying the gun.
The rest of the country does not have to comply with your california justice system.
I wasn't there. But neither were you. So let this play out in the courts and we will see what really went on.

And you should add to your list. The autopsy showed Trayvon had cuts on his knuckles similar to those someone would get from punching someone.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by art leong

Eddie.
You talk about a lot of stuff that sounds good to you but has absolutly no basis in law.
Fact. Under the Florida stand your ground law the person that confronts you does not have to be armed. So yes it is legal to shoot an unarmed person. If he was attacked he had every right to shoot.
Zimmerman was not breaking any law by carrying the gun.
The rest of the country does not have to comply with your california justice system.
I wasn't there. But neither were you. So let this play out in the courts and we will see what really went on.

And you should add to your list. The autopsy showed Trayvon had cuts on his knuckles similar to those someone would get from punching someone.

I just don't see this playing out in the courts, the only person that knows the truth for the 8 minutes from the time Mr. Zimmermand left his car and Mr. Martin was shot will never come out unless the defense lawyer puts Mr. Zimmerman on the stand.....that will never happen.

My comments may not have a basis in the law but you can bet this and more will be brought to bear on Mr. Zimmerman's character and creditability.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

I just don't see this playing out in the courts, the only person that knows the truth for the 8 minutes from the time Mr. Zimmermand left his car and Mr. Martin was shot will never come out unless the defense lawyer puts Mr. Zimmerman on the stand.....that will never happen.

My comments may not have a basis in the law but you can bet this and more will be brought to bear on Mr. Zimmerman's character and creditability.

The law. That's where we get "justice". Yeah, you're right, your comments have zero basis in law or factual evidence.

Now we have evidence that lily white young Martin was smoking pot at the time, it was in his blood and urine.

But hey, ONLY Zimmerman's character and credibility are in question. At least according to Eddie. Martin is a saint, an innocent paragon of goodness, guilty only of "walking while black".

Well, except for the part where Zimmerman's injuries are entirely consistent with his version of the assault, a bloody nose, which was broken, two black eyes, a laceration on his forehead, a laceration on the back of his head, and various contusions.

Seems pot wasn't the only thing the medical examiner found when examining Martin, there were also lacerations and contusions on his hands consistent with striking another person with his fists. That and the nature of the gunshot wound also is consistent with Zimmerman's version of events.

Don't worry Eddie, you'll get "justice". Eric Holder's thugs will try Zimmerman for "civil rights violations". Yeah, Eric Holder, that thug who let Mexicans have guns to kill Border Patrol officers. The same thug who dismissed the case against the Black Panthers who were seen by multiple witnesses with weapons at polling places intimidating voters. No bias there, another true paragon of truth, justice, and the American way.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Eddies66

The only side I am taking is the one that offers "liberty and justice for all"

Yeah. Hearsay evidence, from one side, little if any of it actually verified, and most of it edited.

You really like to leave out facts you don't like. Such as, when advised by the dispatcher "we don't need you to do that", you and the "Orlando Sentinel" conveniently leave out the part where Zimmerman replied "Okay". There is no evidence Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after that. None.

You conveniently, again, leave out the part where Martin was sent to stay with his father because his mother could not get him to behave. And the part where he was in trouble at school, for either theft or vandalism, or both.

No, what you want is not justice. If you wanted justice, you would not attempt to try Zimmerman and the police in the court of public opinion, with no evidence of your own, and no verified evidence at all.

[Eddies66]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

Yeah. Hearsay evidence, from one side, little if any of it actually verified, and most of it edited.

You really like to leave out facts you don't like. Such as, when advised by the dispatcher "we don't need you to do that", you and the "Orlando Sentinel" conveniently leave out the part where Zimmerman replied "Okay". There is no evidence Zimmerman continued to follow Martin after that. None.

You conveniently, again, leave out the part where Martin was sent to stay with his father because his mother could not get him to behave. And the part where he was in trouble at school, for either theft or vandalism, or both.

No, what you want is not justice. If you wanted justice, you would not attempt to try Zimmerman and the police in the court of public opinion, with no evidence of your own, and no verified evidence at all.

Only Mr. Zimmerman can answer any of these questions, do I see a conviction......NOPE! I haven't spoken to Mr. Zimmerman today so I can't verify facts as you know them. Unless you are part of the investigation team, you know no more than I do about this case.

You seem to think that it is unusual for a child to be moved to the same-gender parent when they have a disciplinary problem, most schools and counselors recommend it. So what is your point? He was a disciplinary problem and not a felon.