GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[Chad Rhodes]

Originally Posted by chevy620

I am no expert but I was the victim of a few heads-up runs with cars that are way under-factored on horsepower. Cut a .012 light, the other guy is .090 and drives by and takes 20' of stripe at 15 mph slower speed.

Eventually I got tired of running a good car that would go .75 under and get crushed if the Ladder didn't go my way by a car that can easily go 1.2 under on the brakes.

I would buy a Stocker and go back to that class with one rule change:

**No heads-up runs during eliminations. Simple rule change, takes the bogus HP cars out of the "real race" and lets the drivers settle it.
*I also think part of that rule should say there will be Class Eliminations at every National Event on Friday morning. That way the guys who are about squeezing everything out of the car can still get their "Class Winner Trophies and hopefully some contingency $$".

I think you would see 15 to 20% more cars at LODRS and National events, maybe more. When you are positive you can't win a heads-up race...why spend $500 to $800 to go to an event and HOPE you won't have a heads-up race? It's obvious, a lot of guys leave nice cars at home because of the heads-up rule during eliminations.

Jok

I see your point, but NHRA will never have class at every national event. If they were to do what you stated with eliminations, it would probably happen at divisionals and leave the nationals alone............i wonder if we could run class on Sat nights at divisionals

[Dan Bernay]

My vote is to put this thread to bed before someone posts something they will regret.

[Ian Hill]

i am not old enough to remember when...but i'd asume the same thing was happening in 68-70 with the bogus hp ratings on the 426 Hemis, the 430 hp 454 (vs. the 435hp)...and i'd bet that the 62 pontiac 421 were under rated, maybe even the crazy small block full size chevy pickup that qualified number one earlier this year seems way under rated.

you guys are funny, bitchin just to bitch. oh ya, i only left the ford guys out because my knowledge and interest in ford products is quite low (other than the 62 G code fairlane with the 401 ci 425 engine - i think that was the combo...its ford what can isay!, i really like that one).

stock and superstock has always been about the new cars with their new horsepower. in the sixties and seventies if you wanted to run a 30 year old vehicle at the drags you ran in a gasser class. we are all lucky NHRA/ IHRA doesn't put limits on how old a car can be, they leave it wide open like 1955 or newer, what if they said 20 year old limit!

in the late sixties, it didnt matter how far under an early 60s car would run, in the eighties, no one cared about the late 60's, in the 90's most forgot about about the 80s and in the 2000's when the small cars came out it was all about the GT conversions, until a few big hitters went back to to the full size 80 cars. Now, for the first time in near 40 years the big three are building race cars again and your all crying? Come on, get with it. This is more than we all should have ever hoped for, factory race support from all three manufactures.

it is simple, you shouldnt be able to compete with the new cars, non of us should, it is what sells new cars, they are expensive, clean, and seriously fast AND under rated, how else could the factories ensure more than just the diehards would purchase them! it is what sold the GT conversions, it is what sold all the next great thing type cars when they were new, other wise there would be more 67-2000 camaro cars than there are (and fill in the blank _______ brand cars - mustangs, avengers etc.)

i agree with the post below that discussed having class at each race and having no headsup runs during regular eliminations.

Ian

I would rather see the death of stock, then It come to this. Why build a car to rules then? If the new cars could be factored a little closer to reality that would be fair, none of this discussion would take place. If no heads up's why have any rules. Stupid suggestion, go back to pro ET. That should fit your personality better.

Originally Posted by chevy620

I am no expert but I was the victim of a few heads-up runs with cars that are way under-factored on horsepower. Cut a .012 light, the other guy is .090 and drives by and takes 20' of stripe at 15 mph slower speed.

Eventually I got tired of running a good car that would go .75 under and get crushed if the Ladder didn't go my way by a car that can easily go 1.2 under on the brakes.

I would buy a Stocker and go back to that class with one rule change:

**No heads-up runs during eliminations. Simple rule change, takes the bogus HP cars out of the "real race" and lets the drivers settle it.
*I also think part of that rule should say there will be Class Eliminations at every National Event on Friday morning. That way the guys who are about squeezing everything out of the car can still get their "Class Winner Trophies and hopefully some contingency $$".

I think you would see 15 to 20% more cars at LODRS and National events, maybe more. When you are positive you can't win a heads-up race...why spend $500 to $800 to go to an event and HOPE you won't have a heads-up race? It's obvious, a lot of guys leave nice cars at home because of the heads-up rule during eliminations.

Jok

[69Cobra]

Ian I think you are thinking of the 406ci 401hp galaxie but anyway. I disagree with doing away with the heads up runs in the eliminator. I also disagree with these new cars adding an additional sales numbers to the factory show room cars. I would be different if I could go to Cheby or Mopar or even Ford and buy a CJ with any of the combinations that are racing today. In the 60's when the 406 was kicking but or when the 427's, 428, 396 or 440 etc... where winning on Sunday you really could go to your local dealership and buy that car for the most part. You can't go buy a CJ, DP or COPO and drive it home and race it this weekend. To me they failed in that arena for that reason. Other than that the cars are cool and all but the '13 NA 5.0 are overrated. Just my .02

Go back to class winners only, then no heads up in eleminations.

[69Cobra]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

I would rather see the death of stock, then It come to this. Why build a car to rules then? If the new cars could be factored a little closer to reality that would be fair, none of this discussion would take place. If no heads up's why have any rules. Stupid suggestion, go back to pro ET. That should fit your personality better.

Exactly!!!

[Peter Ash]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

I would rather see the death of stock, then It come to this. Why build a car to rules then? If the new cars could be factored a little closer to reality that would be fair, none of this discussion would take place. If no heads up's why have any rules. Stupid suggestion, go back to pro ET. That should fit your personality better.

Their is always room for new leaders!

[Jeff Lee]

Originally Posted by Dan Bernay

My vote is to put this thread to bed before someone posts something they will regret.

x2

[NewHemi]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lee

x2

I agree. Minds are already made up, and will not ever be changed.

It is a lot like the old saying that goes for both sides of the opinions (no insults intended)

"Never try to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and it annoys the pig."

The NHRA isn't going to do anything about more than they have done.
And about everything meaningful in the way of suggestions has already been offered.

It is unfortunate that some have begun and persist in personal attacks. But enough is enough

So freezing this thread is probably the best course of action.

But nobody listens to me anyway, so.... whatever....

David
The New Hemi Guy