Any Wideband o2 that records?

Bobby Fazio · 08-30-2014, 09:39 AM

I have been battling with this Accel DFI Gen 7 and it's Engine Analyzer box to get an accurate air/fuel reading with the wideband o2 sensor with no luck. I have moved the sensor to three different places and purchased a few new sensors this year and still not working. Tried the collector and now the primary 12 inches from valve and it's stuck at 17.99 during a run which isn't possible according to my plugs. WIll never know if my VE table is set right or target AF ratio is accurate until I get something that can actually work.

I need something that records along with the rpms.

John Nechiporchik · 08-30-2014, 01:41 PM

Bobby, Is the logger recording rpm , battery voltage and any other functions you have configured into the system?
If so, you may want to check the O2 sensor wiring at the DFI box.
Also, these units are very sensitive to proper grounding. With ignition on, activate your Analyzer while hooked up to your laptop and see if the O2 sensor lights on the bottom left of the screen turn green after 15-20 seconds or so. If they do, that indicates the sensors are heated up and functional. If not, you are not getting power to the sensor(s).

I have the old Accel Calmap unit and have the DFI box as a stand alone only used for the O2 readings.( got the car this way). I believe 17.99 is the system default reading when the O2's are not functioning properly.
I am no expert on this stuff.....but I struggled thru the learning process and finally got it to work.
I have a phone number of a service guy in Alabama that is an Accel dealer. He was a big help in getting mine functional. Let me know if you need it and I'll dig it up.
Hope this helps.
John

Bobby Fazio · 08-30-2014, 05:17 PM

It records 16 channels of data and they seem to be fairly accurate on the log except for air fuel. Took a while to get that to record right! Yes the green light does come on for the sensor so I think the sensor still works. Is the leaded fuel capable of killing the sensor after one run? Or is the two-step damaging it with cylinder cancelation and rich conditions? Thanks for your help John.

John Nechiporchik · 08-30-2014, 06:47 PM

Bobby, Not sure what the answer is to your two questions. I run VP Leaded race fuel and have a 2 step as I'm sure many others do.
The Accel dealer/installer I talked to is Lee At Hesco. # is 205-251- 1472 and his E-mail is LEE@HESCO.US
I have found that Accel has no tech service to speak of unless you contact one of these dealers.

John

cad · 08-31-2014, 02:13 AM

The O2 sensor will standup to alot of runs before failing. We run VP 110.
We use the Innovate LM1 and an Innovate accessory to pull RPM from the MSD. It has a record button, and then I download to view the run.

Clark

Alan Roehrich · 08-31-2014, 08:27 AM

The best wide band AFR sensor I've ever used is the NGK Powerdex AFX. It does not record by itself, but it does have an output channel that will work with any good data logger.

We ran the same O2 sensor for around two years, until it was damaged during a landing from a huge wheelstand.

Someone convinced one of us to try an Innovate, that has never worked right.

I have hooked a couple of good friends up with the Daytona Sensor stuff, they have been extremely happy. Daytona Sensor is what we'll be running pretty soon.

Bobby Fazio · 08-31-2014, 10:31 AM

Cool, yea I'm unsure if it is the sensor not reading right or the behind the times accel software is screwing up the reading. Even the latest version of the software has lots of glitches, can't overlap graphs like I'm supposed to. One laptop the A/F ratio reads 17.99 and the other laptop it reads 9.89. So I started researching the standalone o2 systems like AEM, Innovate, and Zeitronix.

SSGT Mustang · 08-31-2014, 10:45 AM

I don't want to sidetrack this post, but thought that it would be helpful to share that I just bought the two channel Accel O2 sensor kit to go along side of my Accel DFI Generation 7 for a stocker that I'm building and am not too pleased with the quality control.

I bought it from a large retailer that had it dropped shipped directly from Accel. The first time around, one O2 sensor was missing, the connection cable was missing and the housing to the computer was broken. The housing didn't break during shipping, because the broken piece wasn't in the box, and box was in perfect shape when it arrived. I called the retailer, and they took care of it and had a replacement on the way.

I also called Accel to make them aware of the situation, and they seemed not to care too much about what I was telling them. The guy basically said that he wasn't going to do anything about it and had no interest in looking into their quality control.

The second go round, got a new box direct from Accel again....missing an O2 sensor, but got a cable...too bad that it's the wrong one. Called the retailer, and they're taking care of it. There's no point in calling Accel, since it's clear where they stand on quality control.

Where does this leave me? Let's say that I don't have a great deal of confidence in their products, and I'm strongly considering returning the O2 kit, and get my $800 back.

I'm interested to see how this thread plays out.

jmarkaudio · 08-31-2014, 12:27 PM

Look at the Innovate MTX-L and a PL-1 pocket logger, or an LM2.

ALMACK · 08-31-2014, 02:29 PM

I run the AEM wb failsafe on my turbo Stocker.

It samples 20 times per second and I can download the file after every run.
Not cheap at 300 bucks, but the failsafe feature is needed for a non-intercooled turbo engine like mine.

http://aemelectronics.com/?q=product...failsafe-gauge

08-30-2014, 09:39 AM	#1
Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,468 Likes: 1,448 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Any Wideband o2 that records? I have been battling with this Accel DFI Gen 7 and it's Engine Analyzer box to get an accurate air/fuel reading with the wideband o2 sensor with no luck. I have moved the sensor to three different places and purchased a few new sensors this year and still not working. Tried the collector and now the primary 12 inches from valve and it's stuck at 17.99 during a run which isn't possible according to my plugs. WIll never know if my VE table is set right or target AF ratio is accurate until I get something that can actually work. I need something that records along with the rpms. __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com

08-30-2014, 01:41 PM	#2
John Nechiporchik Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grosse Ile Mi. Posts: 316 Likes: 84 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? Bobby, Is the logger recording rpm , battery voltage and any other functions you have configured into the system? If so, you may want to check the O2 sensor wiring at the DFI box. Also, these units are very sensitive to proper grounding. With ignition on, activate your Analyzer while hooked up to your laptop and see if the O2 sensor lights on the bottom left of the screen turn green after 15-20 seconds or so. If they do, that indicates the sensors are heated up and functional. If not, you are not getting power to the sensor(s). I have the old Accel Calmap unit and have the DFI box as a stand alone only used for the O2 readings.( got the car this way). I believe 17.99 is the system default reading when the O2's are not functioning properly. I am no expert on this stuff.....but I struggled thru the learning process and finally got it to work. I have a phone number of a service guy in Alabama that is an Accel dealer. He was a big help in getting mine functional. Let me know if you need it and I'll dig it up. Hope this helps. John

08-30-2014, 05:17 PM	#3
Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,468 Likes: 1,448 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? It records 16 channels of data and they seem to be fairly accurate on the log except for air fuel. Took a while to get that to record right! Yes the green light does come on for the sensor so I think the sensor still works. Is the leaded fuel capable of killing the sensor after one run? Or is the two-step damaging it with cylinder cancelation and rich conditions? Thanks for your help John. __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com

08-30-2014, 06:47 PM	#4
John Nechiporchik Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Grosse Ile Mi. Posts: 316 Likes: 84 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? Bobby, Not sure what the answer is to your two questions. I run VP Leaded race fuel and have a 2 step as I'm sure many others do. The Accel dealer/installer I talked to is Lee At Hesco. # is 205-251- 1472 and his E-mail is LEE@HESCO.US I have found that Accel has no tech service to speak of unless you contact one of these dealers. John

08-31-2014, 02:13 AM	#5
cad Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Omaha, NE Posts: 702 Likes: 202 Liked 91 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? The O2 sensor will standup to alot of runs before failing. We run VP 110. We use the Innovate LM1 and an Innovate accessory to pull RPM from the MSD. It has a record button, and then I download to view the run. Clark

08-31-2014, 08:27 AM	#6
Alan Roehrich Veteran Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 5,106 Likes: 1,564 Liked 1,789 Times in 408 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? The best wide band AFR sensor I've ever used is the NGK Powerdex AFX. It does not record by itself, but it does have an output channel that will work with any good data logger. We ran the same O2 sensor for around two years, until it was damaged during a landing from a huge wheelstand. Someone convinced one of us to try an Innovate, that has never worked right. I have hooked a couple of good friends up with the Daytona Sensor stuff, they have been extremely happy. Daytona Sensor is what we'll be running pretty soon. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

08-31-2014, 10:31 AM	#7
Bobby Fazio VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Egg Harbor Township, NJ Posts: 1,468 Likes: 1,448 Liked 4,365 Times in 501 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? Cool, yea I'm unsure if it is the sensor not reading right or the behind the times accel software is screwing up the reading. Even the latest version of the software has lots of glitches, can't overlap graphs like I'm supposed to. One laptop the A/F ratio reads 17.99 and the other laptop it reads 9.89. So I started researching the standalone o2 systems like AEM, Innovate, and Zeitronix. __________________ '65 Mustang SS/L & L/SA DriverInterviews.com \| App.DragInsights.com

08-31-2014, 10:45 AM	#8
SSGT Mustang Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jersey Posts: 359 Likes: 35 Liked 204 Times in 54 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? I don't want to sidetrack this post, but thought that it would be helpful to share that I just bought the two channel Accel O2 sensor kit to go along side of my Accel DFI Generation 7 for a stocker that I'm building and am not too pleased with the quality control. I bought it from a large retailer that had it dropped shipped directly from Accel. The first time around, one O2 sensor was missing, the connection cable was missing and the housing to the computer was broken. The housing didn't break during shipping, because the broken piece wasn't in the box, and box was in perfect shape when it arrived. I called the retailer, and they took care of it and had a replacement on the way. I also called Accel to make them aware of the situation, and they seemed not to care too much about what I was telling them. The guy basically said that he wasn't going to do anything about it and had no interest in looking into their quality control. The second go round, got a new box direct from Accel again....missing an O2 sensor, but got a cable...too bad that it's the wrong one. Called the retailer, and they're taking care of it. There's no point in calling Accel, since it's clear where they stand on quality control. Where does this leave me? Let's say that I don't have a great deal of confidence in their products, and I'm strongly considering returning the O2 kit, and get my $800 back. I'm interested to see how this thread plays out. Last edited by SSGT Mustang; 08-31-2014 at 10:47 AM.

08-31-2014, 12:27 PM	#9
jmarkaudio Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 83 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? Look at the Innovate MTX-L and a PL-1 pocket logger, or an LM2.

08-31-2014, 02:29 PM	#10
ALMACK VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bardstown, KY Posts: 1,937 Likes: 131 Liked 369 Times in 127 Posts	Re: Any Wideband o2 that records? I run the AEM wb failsafe on my turbo Stocker. It samples 20 times per second and I can download the file after every run. Not cheap at 300 bucks, but the failsafe feature is needed for a non-intercooled turbo engine like mine. http://aemelectronics.com/?q=product...failsafe-gauge __________________ Alan Mackin Stock 3777/ SS 3377 P/SA & SS/PA Fox Thunderbird I/PS '95 Mustang GT Last edited by ALMACK; 08-31-2014 at 02:31 PM.