Stock Suggestion # 1

[FS Fan]

Originally Posted by Monte Howard

. All the new cars have CNC'ed cylinder heads.

The street car versions of performance cars are cnc ported. The Mustang Boss 302 and many Corvette models have cnc heads right from the factory. Having that in Stock isn't a surprise.

[travis sturgell 3339]

I agree and disagree with some on all of this, but I have drove some under factored and drove some over factored horsepower race cars in what little time I have race stock and super stock cars and been on the top of the qualifying sheet and been a alternate to. Where I think nhra went wrong was putting fuel injection and carb cars together awhile ago to get away of so many classes. When you get down to it no matter if you have FI, Supercharge, or Carbs we are fill ins just look at the schedule change at indy because of the weather for the pros nhra could care less what we all complain about on here. Is that going to stop me from racing no I love it to much! The 1 thing that people need to remember is this world is driven by money and right now the car companies are making money by saleing these cars so that what is driving this. Also I can say is no matter if I had the money to buy a new copo or dodge or ford I can honestly say I would not because I like the old cars and driving them. just my 2 cents

[FS Fan]

Originally Posted by GUMP

Would you be OK with this for all Stock ?

Regarding 1lbs breaks....The cars in the fastest classes have to move up to 250lbs with half pound breaks when they change class, a full pound is too much. Maybe making the steps, 1/2, 3/4, 1, 1.5, 2, and having roughly 200lbs steps for all of Stock. Combining stick/auto could condense classes even more. If there were fewer classes, there would be more heads up runs and maybe more sponsors interested in paying for class racing.

[Monte Howard]

Originally Posted by Eric Merryfield

Interesting, the 09 and 10 dragpaks came with either 6 speed stick or 5 speed auto..So I don't think any whining came from the first 150 cars...this must have been the 11 viper powered flat hood dragpaks.

I prefer to run my dragpak in superstock where it can be a decent car and fit, even when teenagers are running it. Stock is clogged with a crapload of very fast A cars, mostly camaros, a few vetttes and old Max Wedge iron. And a warmer track doesn't hurt a wide car a bit.

Many good suggestions posted, but I agree with Jeff, a bit too complicated for easy NHRA use.

Eric

The first drag paks came with a glide only, and were classified that way. The three speed rule was changed so they could run a three speed in the factory Shootout.

[SStockDart]

It is interesting that some complain about horsepower rating when the entire HP rating system in out of whack..... As an example....our Super Stock car is rated at 356 HP....yet it produces over 300 HP more on the dyno (and still slow).....similar for our stocker. So, it is my best guess, that a 396/375 stocker is around 630 HP on the dyno, but rated ......what?

[Mike Gray]

Originally Posted by Jeff Teuton

Mike, it is dead stock, plastic intake & all, and 400 heavier than all DP's, 500 than some, other than the V10 DP. Body also dead stock. NHRA asked for showroom models, and the specs were provided. That car can be bought, vin number, title, license, off the showroom. All three showroom models are in the book, all dead stock. They are waiting for Ford & Chevy for the same.

Other than the intake doesn't it spec about the same? Same heads as 5.7 SS, same cam (within .011) bigger valves, same throttle bore, it is down a little on compression but it has 50 more cubes!
I'm still slowly building my Ford, but with a small valve 428 I'll be classed the same. I can't see the Ford running anywhere close to the 6.4 if the 5.7 can go 10.10 in E.

[Qwikpony]

Once again, after 12 pages of the same stuff, re-read Chuck Rayburn's idea on the first page. That is the answer (mine too). A few letter changes and they can be "FX","FI" or any other designation NHRA wants as long as they are not racing "heads up" with the older cars. In the event that NHRA does nothing to reclassify these cars and the "heads up" beatings continue (which they will in the current format), you all should start thinking about other ways to stay competitive (i.e.- lower the horsepower ratings on the older carbureted cars if they are forced to remain in their current classes.) I can't wait to see these very same posts in 10 years (if this stuff still exists) when the DP, CJ and COPO guys are complaining about the (then to be) new cars having too much voltage and making 1100 hp (and hooking) because they have bigger batteries and a 512 bit torque management processor with a 960 hz refresh rate.

[Qwikpony]

Originally Posted by FS Fan

The street car versions of performance cars are cnc ported. The Mustang Boss 302 and many Corvette models have cnc heads right from the factory. Having that in Stock isn't a surprise.

The older cars are at least getting that benefit as well. Its called Edelbrock Aluminum Heads (NHRA legal/approved).

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Qwikpony

The older cars are at least getting that benefit as well. Its called Edelbrock Aluminum Heads (NHRA legal/approved).

It's a minimum 10HP penalty for the Edelbrock/GM head on a big block Chevy in Stock Eliminator. And as an example, the fastest 427/425 69 Camaros in the country, owned by the Sorenson Brothers, and Bobby DeArmond, have iron heads. I'm not at all convinced that the Edelbrock/GM head has done anything for the 427/425 we run. If we go back to the 427/425, it will probably have a set of Jimmy Bridges cast iron heads on it. That head seems to work for the 396/375 though.

[SS Engine Guy]

I thought taking 3 tenths off the indexes was supposed to fix everything? Fell for that one hook, line, and sinker didn't we?