Gt/aa

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Asking a couple of times has gotten people to look it up... How does 325 or 341 Hp compare to the et it runs in a class where the standard cars were 430 hp 454 for several years. Makes it about what 718 LB lighter than a 454 Camaro which were very competitive in GT/AA in the 9.40-50s at INDY. I guess this proves my point , it IS more bogus than the New cars when compared to other combinations in GT/AA. Maybe its just smart research. Wonder where all the beautiful well built 454 Camaros went? There were upwards of 7 to nine good cars in that class in the 1997-8 area....really competitive heads up racing.

When did you stop running GT/AA with your 454/430hp Camaro?

[topspeed632]

as i see in the nhra recorder holder in GT/AA is jeff lawernce mustang .. and my engine builder he had out ran gary richerson mustang and cobolt... in. 2015 hold on this going to be a fun ride to witness

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Rick Leininger Jr.

When did you stop running GT/AA with your 454/430hp Camaro?

1998 I sold the Camaro after winning class at INDY, and built a cavalier. I never raced it but buyer was very successful with 402. Boudreau sold his due to health. Butch Williams retired. Phil mandella concentrated on business. Defrank sold the car. Glen Stahl changed classes. At least two others dropped out. then came the sbc cavalier and the rule change to allow bbc in FWD. Interesting. Then the BOGUS bbc appeared and ran in the 8 s when all the above cars were at 9.50.s at indy

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

1998 I sold the Camaro after winning class at INDY, and built a cavalier. I never raced it but buyer was very successful with 402. Boudreau sold his due to health. Butch Williams retired. Phil mandella concentrated on business. Defrank sold the car. Glen Stahl changed classes. At least two others dropped out. then came the sbc cavalier and the rule change to allow bbc in FWD. Interesting. Then the BOGUS bbc appeared and ran in the 8 s when all the above cars were at 9.50.s at indy

So you have an issue with a combination in a class you have not participated in for 16 years?

[Paul Iaconis]

Top speed That would be Gary Richard Jeff has beat the cobalt in class but hasn't beat the mustang yet but it doesn't make a difference it's a bogus combo any way.

[Dick Butler]

Originally Posted by Rick Leininger Jr.

So you have an issue with a combination in a class you have not participated in for 16 years?

Yes, Even better I have a beef about the HP factoring in general...Doesn't that explain all the New Car/Old Car discussion? I am only pointing out the issue isn't new. It is a basic flaw in classification of Motors. Some get overlooked because it only hits a small group and the new cars create a big issue because the same methods affect a larger group of racers. Is factoring only important if it is your class? I know it is not. It is a more broad issue and needs help throughout the classes and tech books.... Even better I feel my experience in racing 35 years can be helpful to the discussions even today..Thats why I support the return of Modified. Classes based on cubic inchs which cannot be factored or ignored . First man there with the same motor is the winner in my book. Do away with the factoring Crutch needed by some to be interested or competitive.

Rick Good Discussion. Merry Christmas.

[Rick Leininger Jr.]

Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Yes, Even better I have a beef about the HP factoring in general...Doesn't that explain all the New Car/Old Car discussion? I am only pointing out the issue isn't new. It is a basic flaw in classification of Motors. Some get overlooked because it only hits a small group and the new cars create a big issue because the same methods affect a larger group of racers. Is factoring only important if it is your class? I know it is not. It is a more broad issue and needs help throughout the classes and tech books.... Even better I feel my experience in racing 35 years can be helpful to the discussions even today..Thats why I support the return of Modified. Classes based on cubic inchs which cannot be factored or ignored . First man there with the same motor is the winner in my book. Do away with the factoring Crutch needed by some to be interested or competitive.

Rick Good Discussion. Merry Christmas.

I think this thread was started to discuss GT/AA and who is quick, not HP factors, new car vs. old car, or a new modified class.

If you want to start a new thread on only HP factoring that stays on point, I'll jump right in. Also needs to be a technical based discussion with reasons why particular combinations are under or over factored.

Merry Christmas

[Dick Butler]

Very good point. Afraid you and I got afield in the discussion but the topic was " who is fastest?"

[topspeed632]

GT/AA 8.87 149.38 04/28/13 Jeffrey Lawrence - Quogue, NY
'88 Ford Atco, NJ