Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator?

Dick Butler · 01-16-2016, 11:00 AM

Anyone remember when National records were thrown out because stocker cam 2 or 3 degrees off?
Just Asking?

Dwight Southerland · 01-16-2016, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Anyone remember when National records were thrown out because stocker cam 2 or 3 degrees off?
Just Asking?

And ?!?!?

Dick Butler · 01-16-2016, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

And ?!?!?

Reason for question is seems Stock is becoming Super Stock as each tech point is relaxed year after year. Makes it easier to tech too but is there an end point people would accept as "far enough" for Stock rules to expand to let them just Run as last year?

sammy pizzolato · 01-16-2016, 12:29 PM

Roller Cam's in Stock will never happen or roller Lifters.if you want that Build a Newer Car they already have Rollers.Face it be glad that we have what we have and make the best of it. Jeff Teuton tried to help us old car people.I too lost a new motor to the shoebecks.tool steal is the only way to go.

Jim Hanig · 01-24-2016, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sammy pizzolato

Roller Cam's in Stock will never happen or roller Lifters.if you want that Build a Newer Car they already have Rollers.Face it be glad that we have what we have and make the best of it. Jeff Teuton tried to help us old car people.I too lost a new motor to the shoebecks.tool steal is the only way to go.

Don't think cams don't go flat with tool steel.

older racer · 01-24-2016, 05:13 PM

hello, mexjoe. LMAO. I understand that. beating a dead horse.

sammy pizzolato · 01-26-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Hanig

Don't think cams don't go flat with tool steel.

Yes Jim You are right Cams will still go flat with tool steel!!!!!!!!!! I give up. I guess we need rollers I am at a dead end street. I just hurt the motor with bad lifters again.

Larry Hill · 01-26-2016, 04:13 PM

Sammy don't tell me that.

Mike Keener · 01-26-2016, 07:46 PM

Larry,

If Sammy won't confirm the facts I will.. Every solid lifter regardless of material is JUNK.

Let's put it this way. It has sent my 396/375 program nothing but backwards. It's not the money in parts that it cost when you have a failure, it's the TIME it takes for recovery....If you have a lifter/cam failure, even if you could pay the parts damage in cast,in full, upon diagnosis- it's the TIME LOSS and the grief factor alone that money can't buy, and I never saw the day that money could purchase time at any price!

Hey- it wasn't me that opened the door to the changes in the duration, spring pressure rule

My opinion is- follow the path of engine safety, ie; roller rockers, etc. No matter what we do, ,assuming the cam lift specs remain the same- which they will, it's still NO WHERE near the cost of running a competitive SS car so please; racers who think the opposite to be true-please stop telling the rest of us to go race SS.

MKL

Mike Keener · 01-26-2016, 08:06 PM

Larry,

If Sammy won't confirm the facts I will.. Every solid lifter regardless of material is JUNK.

Let's put it this way. It has sent my 396/375 program nothing but backwards. It's not the money in parts that it cost when you have a failure, it's the TIME it takes for recovery....If you have a lifter/cam failure, even if you could pay the parts damage in cast,in full, upon diagnosis- it's the TIME LOSS and the grief factor alone that money can't buy, and I never saw the day that money could purchase time at any price!

Hey- it wasn't me that opened the door to the changes in the duration, spring pressure rule so my opinion is- follow the path of engine safety, ie; roller rockers, etc. No matter what we do, ,assuming the cam lift specs remain the same- which they will, it's still NO WHERE near the cost of running a competitive SS car.

A new cam and set of lifters is cheap by comparison..and there is no advantage to anyone except the cars that already have roller lifters NOT to change the rule.

MK

01-16-2016, 11:00 AM	#1
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,196 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator? Anyone remember when National records were thrown out because stocker cam 2 or 3 degrees off? Just Asking?

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sammy pizzolato Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: houma louisiana Posts: 432 Likes: 52 Liked 56 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator? Roller Cam's in Stock will never happen or roller Lifters.if you want that Build a Newer Car they already have Rollers.Face it be glad that we have what we have and make the best of it. Jeff Teuton tried to help us old car people.I too lost a new motor to the shoebecks.tool steal is the only way to go.

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01-26-2016, 07:46 PM	#9
Mike Keener Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 294 Likes: 102 Liked 24 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator? Larry, If Sammy won't confirm the facts I will.. Every solid lifter regardless of material is JUNK. Let's put it this way. It has sent my 396/375 program nothing but backwards. It's not the money in parts that it cost when you have a failure, it's the TIME it takes for recovery....If you have a lifter/cam failure, even if you could pay the parts damage in cast,in full, upon diagnosis- it's the TIME LOSS and the grief factor alone that money can't buy, and I never saw the day that money could purchase time at any price! Hey- it wasn't me that opened the door to the changes in the duration, spring pressure rule My opinion is- follow the path of engine safety, ie; roller rockers, etc. No matter what we do, ,assuming the cam lift specs remain the same- which they will, it's still NO WHERE near the cost of running a competitive SS car so please; racers who think the opposite to be true-please stop telling the rest of us to go race SS. MKL __________________ Mike Keener A/S B/S C/SM

01-26-2016, 08:06 PM	#10
Mike Keener Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 294 Likes: 102 Liked 24 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator? Larry, If Sammy won't confirm the facts I will.. Every solid lifter regardless of material is JUNK. Let's put it this way. It has sent my 396/375 program nothing but backwards. It's not the money in parts that it cost when you have a failure, it's the TIME it takes for recovery....If you have a lifter/cam failure, even if you could pay the parts damage in cast,in full, upon diagnosis- it's the TIME LOSS and the grief factor alone that money can't buy, and I never saw the day that money could purchase time at any price! Hey- it wasn't me that opened the door to the changes in the duration, spring pressure rule so my opinion is- follow the path of engine safety, ie; roller rockers, etc. No matter what we do, ,assuming the cam lift specs remain the same- which they will, it's still NO WHERE near the cost of running a competitive SS car. A new cam and set of lifters is cheap by comparison..and there is no advantage to anyone except the cars that already have roller lifters NOT to change the rule. MK __________________ Mike Keener A/S B/S C/SM