Roller Cams in Stock Eliminator?

[Dan Fahey]

Going to Roller Cams.
The racers will have new geometry to play with.
More Spring, Duration and new level of breakage.

Roller Cams will yield higher rpm.
Leading to more and impressive dramatic catastrophic failure!

Need a spring limit rule to back off from limits of material science.

D

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Alan Nyhus

Would allowing roller cams/lifters in place of flat tappet cams/lifters save racers money? Yes. -Al

Was the study on this done by the GAO?

[Alan Nyhus]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Was the study on this done by the GAO?

If the GAO had done it, we would 'save' money by raising taxes to cover the 'savings'.

Just comparing the difference in component prices. -Al

[Billy Nees]

Every time the NHRA makes a change to Stock Eliminator Racing to make it cheaper to get parts, easier on parts, easier to get parts, easier to tech,etc,etc,etc, they don't look down the road at what the residuals will cost! And I don't believe that they care either!

[Alan Nyhus]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Every time the NHRA makes a change to Stock Eliminator Racing to make it cheaper to get parts, easier on parts, easier to get parts, easier to tech,etc,etc,etc, they don't look down the road at what the residuals will cost! And I don't believe that they care either!

Yep...unintended consequences. Like where we're at with pistons, heads and intakes.

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Was the study on this done by the GAO?

No they would have done the sensible thing and limited Valve Spring Pressure for reliability.

So everyone can Bletch that the government was interfering!

D

[Tom keedle]

Originally Posted by GarysZ24

The last time I asked about headers from a place in Arizona, that place was in Kingman, and the guy told me that if I could leave my car with him for 2wks, and pay him $1,000 he could make a set for my car. $1,000???? That's an entry fee for two national events, and two divisionals! I also had this chat back in either 2007, or 2008, thus I'm sure they'd cost even more nowadays. Sorry James, but I can't justify spending that much for headers for a V6, when the "big box store" sells them for less than $300 for a V8! As long as my car is competitive against the index, so I can race with you guys, I'll keep my stock exhaust manifolds, unless or until I get a much better deal for headers. Moreover, I don't have the smarts or the tools (or even the facilities), to make headers myself. I'm .2-.3 under the index for DF/S everywhere I race, and that's plenty good for me. I have no desire to be number one qualifier anywhere I go, and am plenty good with not being one of the bottom three qualifiers either (or in the middle of the pack where those qualifiers have to race against one of the bottom three qualifiers too), since they have to be the first three pair out in first round.

Lol to the "Slacker" comment too Dan...I'd shake your hand for that one!!!!

just a thought but, how about extrude honing those manifolds?

Want to make racing cheaper? Fold up stock, anybody who wants a cheaper easier racing just run Super Stock. You can buy all the best parts your heart desires.

For the rest, bracket racing is alive and well in the rest of the country. You can run an engine that will last for 100's of runs


If your blowing up valve train parts, chances are something is off in your valvetrain combo. To aggressive of a camshaft, wrong geometry, running the engine to high in the rpm range, ect. Time to work on your combinatio. Go find somebody with a spin tron and start testing parts, talk to your engine builder about a solution. It isn't always about buying better parts to solve a problem, its about finding the right combo for the ones you have.

Guys with LS engines in new Camaros were having trouble with ROLLER lifters. Just ask Dan Fletcher, he is one of the guys that come to mind. Roller lifters break all the time, remember that.


Keep changing rules in stock to parallel us to Super Stock, when they get rid of our class in a couple of years then the ones who cant or dont want to afford a full blown SS can just go away quietly. Would be better for our wallets for sure.

I thought roller rockers were going to fix everything?

[James Perrone]

Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Want to make racing cheaper? Fold up stock, anybody who wants a cheaper easier racing just run Super Stock. You can buy all the best parts your heart desires.

For the rest, bracket racing is alive and well in the rest of the country. You can run an engine that will last for 100's of runs


If your blowing up valve train parts, chances are something is off in your valvetrain combo. To aggressive of a camshaft, wrong geometry, running the engine to high in the rpm range, ect. Time to work on your combinatio. Go find somebody with a spin tron and start testing parts, talk to your engine builder about a solution. It isn't always about buying better parts to solve a problem, its about finding the right combo for the ones you have.

Guys with LS engines in new Camaros were having trouble with ROLLER lifters. Just ask Dan Fletcher, he is one of the guys that come to mind. Roller lifters break all the time, remember that.


Keep changing rules in stock to parallel us to Super Stock, when they get rid of our class in a couple of years then the ones who cant or dont want to afford a full blown SS can just go away quietly. Would be better for our wallets for sure.

Wow spoken like someone WHO ACTUALLY RACES !