NHRA and the Master Plan

Mike Dahl · 05-06-2016, 01:29 PM

So I have said this before a number of times and it falls on deaf ears but there just isn't as many people (family members included) who want to sit around with little to nothing to do for 2-3 days at a time as there used to be. There's a better way to handle things- like setting your runs within a couple of hours so there is free time to enjoy the things the host city has to offer. Gee, it's a shocker to think that there are less people with families that wanna go watch the never repainted 30 year old stocker that runs 11's or the 71 pinto Super Gasser, while waiting to run at 10, then 11, then 4, then cancel; over going to Disneyland or grabbing a wine tour in Napa, etc. etc. etc.

I know people will say there isn't enough time to fix something between runs. Tough ****. Bring spares, be prepared- maybe NHRA could let you run after another category. It's not really that big of a deal.

Until you convince the real sponsors (the family members) that its good, you can change rules until you are blue in the face, or add maybe another 30 or so SS classes to ensure there is no heads up drag racing; it will continue to wither away. By the way, doesn't it usually cost more to build another combination than to improve the one you have??? The prices paid to not heads up are larger than most realize.

As far as the outlaw races go, this is really happening and the train is leaving the station.

rognelson777 · 05-06-2016, 02:44 PM

The interesting part about outlaw racing it is basically the same as class eliminations or the factory shootout. Heads up racing to the finish line,
not stock eliminator dial in racing with the occasional heads up race.

Make eliminations all similar to Factory supercar shootout, F/S &F/SA combo stock shootout for example or hemi challenge. Heads up, multiple combos and 1st to the stripe wins. That is what brings the fans out to see at the outlaw races.

If 8 cars show up at a national event in the same class, run them off sunday heads up in their own eliminator, if not enough cars, they can just run regular (dial in )eliminations.

One of the biggest races is the World cup in Maryland and they have many different classes competing including N/A FWD 4 cylinders heads up, some 9 second cars and the fans love it. Honda dominates but you see some toyotas and hyundais in there.

Jim Wahl · 05-06-2016, 04:24 PM

[QUOTE=One of the biggest races is the World cup in Maryland and they have many different classes competing including N/A FWD 4 cylinders heads up, some 9 second cars and the fans love it. Honda dominates but you see some toyotas and hyundais in there.[/QUOTE]

What ever you do, do not post that these kinds of races draw many thousand spectators (which we know they do) or Mr. Kepner will call you a liar or an idiot! Jim

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Bret Kepner · 05-07-2016, 05:32 AM

*sigh* Oh, well; I tried. It really doesn't matter that I've raced at SGMP and announced there multiple times.

You say you've got pictures? Do you have THIS one? If so, please explain to the world how SIXTY THOUSAND PEOPLE showed up in the 1,362 cars visible in this image, (with supposedly no place to put any more):

You might also point out the 57,000 "standing spectators", (since there is only seating for 3,000), because they seem difficult to find. Of course, individual people standing in five square feet each means only 8,712 people can fit in one acre so you'd need at least seven acres completely filled with humans every three feet. Oops! Too bad SGMP's entire spectator area...INCLUDING the grandstands...is only three acres!

Oh, wait! I forgot you'll just say, "That photo isn't from 'Lights Out 7'!", even though it's the photo the event promoter posted on his site.

Well, I guess that means THIS photo, (which I'm sure you already have), is also worthless. It shows SGMP from "Lights Out 7", (Hey! I took it from the LO7 website so it is what it is!), versus a track just down the road which seats an honest 44,500. Notice the difference in cars parked? Notice a slight difference in grandstand size? Nah. Of COURSE you don't.

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Originally Posted by Jim Wahl

What ever you do, do not post that these kinds of races draw many thousand spectators (which we know they do) or Mr. Kepner will call you a liar or an idiot!

Please don't put words in my mouth, Jim. I never said "Many thousand spectators". I'll only call you an idiot when you state a drag race had SIXTY thousand people. LOL!

No matter how hard you try, you just can't beat MATH! LOL!

Jim Wahl · 05-07-2016, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

*sigh* Oh, well; I tried. It really doesn't matter that I've raced at SGMP and announced there multiple times.

You say you've got pictures? Do you have THIS one? If so, please explain to the world how SIXTY THOUSAND PEOPLE showed up in the 1,362 cars visible in this image, (with supposedly no place to put any more):

You might also point out the 57,000 "standing spectators", (since there is only seating for 3,000), because they seem difficult to find. Of course, individual people standing in five square feet each means only 8,712 people can fit in one acre so you'd need at least seven acres completely filled with humans every three feet. Oops! Too bad SGMP's entire spectator area...INCLUDING the grandstands...is only three acres!

Oh, wait! I forgot you'll just say, "That photo isn't from 'Lights Out 7'!", even though it's the photo the event promoter posted on his site.

Well, I guess that means THIS photo, (which I'm sure you already have), is also worthless. It shows SGMP from "Lights Out 7", (Hey! I took it from the LO7 website so it is what it is!), versus a track just down the road which seats an honest 44,500. Notice the difference in cars parked? Notice a slight difference in grandstand size? Nah. Of COURSE you don't.

Please don't put words in my mouth, Jim. I never said "Many thousand spectators". I'll only call you an idiot when you state a drag race had SIXTY thousand people. LOL!

No matter how hard you try, you just can't beat MATH! LOL!

I'm really not sure why you have such a hard on for me lately but I'm not playing any more. Going back and forth like this only makes both of us look stupid. Here, let me try this, I'm lying about what I was told and so was everyone else I spoke to. Now, how's that? This isn't worth it! I didn't piss in your Wheaties and I promise I never slapped your mama! Give it a rest Bret! Your right I'm wrong, you're always right and I'm always wrong. You are the Shell Answer Man of Drag Racing and I am Barney Fife. Now, are you happy? As your President Obama says.....Wahl out! (mic drop). Jim

PS... I've never seen those pictures before and can not confirm anything about them. I'll just have to believe you because you say so.

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Jim Wahl · 05-07-2016, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bret Kepner

*sigh* Oh, well; I tried. It really doesn't matter that I've raced at SGMP and announced there multiple times.

You say you've got pictures? Do you have THIS one? If so, please explain to the world how SIXTY THOUSAND PEOPLE showed up in the 1,362 cars visible in this image, (with supposedly no place to put any more):

You might also point out the 57,000 "standing spectators", (since there is only seating for 3,000), because they seem difficult to find. Of course, individual people standing in five square feet each means only 8,712 people can fit in one acre so you'd need at least seven acres completely filled with humans every three feet. Oops! Too bad SGMP's entire spectator area...INCLUDING the grandstands...is only three acres!

Oh, wait! I forgot you'll just say, "That photo isn't from 'Lights Out 7'!", even though it's the photo the event promoter posted on his site.

Well, I guess that means THIS photo, (which I'm sure you already have), is also worthless. It shows SGMP from "Lights Out 7", (Hey! I took it from the LO7 website so it is what it is!), versus a track just down the road which seats an honest 44,500. Notice the difference in cars parked? Notice a slight difference in grandstand size? Nah. Of COURSE you don't.

Please don't put words in my mouth, Jim. I never said "Many thousand spectators". I'll only call you an idiot when you state a drag race had SIXTY thousand people. LOL!

No matter how hard you try, you just can't beat MATH! LOL!

I just saw this and I can't resist. You actually want me to believe you counted every car in the parking lot??? You really need to get a life Bret. I mean really!
Also I have to assume (yeah I know) that the claim for the spectator count was for all four days? Not just one day. I never said there were 60,000 there on Saturday or on Sunday. But whatever. Take it up with Ozzy. Don't kill the messenger! Jim

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05-06-2016, 01:29 PM	#1
Mike Dahl Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 30 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: NHRA and the Master Plan So I have said this before a number of times and it falls on deaf ears but there just isn't as many people (family members included) who want to sit around with little to nothing to do for 2-3 days at a time as there used to be. There's a better way to handle things- like setting your runs within a couple of hours so there is free time to enjoy the things the host city has to offer. Gee, it's a shocker to think that there are less people with families that wanna go watch the never repainted 30 year old stocker that runs 11's or the 71 pinto Super Gasser, while waiting to run at 10, then 11, then 4, then cancel; over going to Disneyland or grabbing a wine tour in Napa, etc. etc. etc. I know people will say there isn't enough time to fix something between runs. Tough ***. Bring spares, be prepared- maybe NHRA could let you run after another category. It's not really that big of a deal. Until you convince the real sponsors (the family members) that its good, you can change rules until you are blue in the face, or add maybe another 30 or so SS classes to ensure there is no heads up drag racing; it will continue to wither away. By the way, doesn't it usually cost more to build another combination than to improve the one you have??? The prices paid to not heads up are larger than most realize. As far as the outlaw races go, this is really happening and the train is leaving the station. Last edited by Mike Dahl; 05-08-2016 at 10:46 PM.*

05-06-2016, 02:44 PM	#2
rognelson777 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 376 Likes: 20 Liked 135 Times in 74 Posts	Re: NHRA and the Master Plan The interesting part about outlaw racing it is basically the same as class eliminations or the factory shootout. Heads up racing to the finish line, not stock eliminator dial in racing with the occasional heads up race. Make eliminations all similar to Factory supercar shootout, F/S &F/SA combo stock shootout for example or hemi challenge. Heads up, multiple combos and 1st to the stripe wins. That is what brings the fans out to see at the outlaw races. If 8 cars show up at a national event in the same class, run them off sunday heads up in their own eliminator, if not enough cars, they can just run regular (dial in )eliminations. One of the biggest races is the World cup in Maryland and they have many different classes competing including N/A FWD 4 cylinders heads up, some 9 second cars and the fans love it. Honda dominates but you see some toyotas and hyundais in there. Last edited by rognelson777; 05-06-2016 at 02:57 PM.

05-06-2016, 04:24 PM	#3
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,844 Likes: 667 Liked 683 Times in 129 Posts	Re: NHRA and the Master Plan [QUOTE=One of the biggest races is the World cup in Maryland and they have many different classes competing including N/A FWD 4 cylinders heads up, some 9 second cars and the fans love it. Honda dominates but you see some toyotas and hyundais in there.[/QUOTE] What ever you do, do not post that these kinds of races draw many thousand spectators (which we know they do) or Mr. Kepner will call you a liar or an idiot! Jim . __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 NHRA D2 National Open Stock Champion 1982 NHRA D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.