A case for Tru-Start

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Don Morris

Under the T-S system in a handicap race, if the slower car redlights he is NOT immediately DQd and can in fact win that round if the faster car redlights by a greater amount. In the case where the slower car goes on green and the faster car redlights, the faster car IS automatically DQd. If fairness is being sought using the T-S system, why does the slower car, in the last instance, get a second chance to win the round and the faster car doesn't (he's immediately DQd)? Sounds like the for-sure DQ is shifted to the faster car in a handicap race.

Not sure I follow the logic. The slower car does not get a second chance to win. Why is the slower car immediately disqualified when the faster car hasn't done anything? Both drivers should be judged on their individual performance, but in the current redlight rule, the driver of the faster car never gets judged if the driver of the slower car redlights.


I used to shoot pistols competitively. If I missed the mark on my trial, my opponent does not automatically win until he submits his performance. If he misses more than I do, then I win. What's the difference?

[Mickey Whaley]

I played checkers back then the first loser LOST!

[Don Morris]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Not sure I follow the logic. The slower car does not get a second chance to win. Why is the slower car immediately disqualified when the faster car hasn't done anything? Both drivers should be judged on their individual performance, but in the current redlight rule, the driver of the faster car never gets judged if the driver of the slower car redlights.


I used to shoot pistols competitively. If I missed the mark on my trial, my opponent does not automatically win until he submits his performance. If he misses more than I do, then I win. What's the difference?

I wasn't going to post anything more on this topic. But....
Just assume handicapped races right now, with no other exceptions such as hitting the wall or failing fuel or weight.

Simply stated, under the T-S system, if the slower car redlights he is NOT immediately DQd. He could go on to win the round if the faster car goes red by a greater margin. If the slower car goes green and the faster car goes red, the faster car IS immediately DQd, with no further chance to win that round.
Sounds to me like the slower car gets another chance to win when he redlights. That's all I'm trying to say.
Want absolute fairness? If anyone goes red during elims, they are DQd. It would surely muck up the race, but you would have attained absolute "fairness".

[Greg Reimer 7376]

Originally Posted by Don Morris

I wasn't going to post anything more on this topic. But....
Just assume handicapped races right now, with no other exceptions such as hitting the wall or failing fuel or weight.

Simply stated, under the T-S system, if the slower car redlights he is NOT immediately DQd. He could go on to win the round if the faster car goes red by a greater margin. If the slower car goes green and the faster car goes red, the faster car IS immediately DQd, with no further chance to win that round.
Sounds to me like the slower car gets another chance to win when he redlights. That's all I'm trying to say.
Want absolute fairness? If anyone goes red during elims, they are DQd. It would surely muck up the race, but you would have attained absolute "fairness".

Sounds like a good way to create more competition singles for the rest of the next round's winners.

[Mickey Whaley]

How many on this topic have actually won an nhra national or divisional event in stock or super stock just want to know so I know what I'm talking to?????

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

How many on this topic have actually won an nhra national or divisional event in stock or super stock just want to know so I know what I'm talking to?????

I won Sacro Div. 1995 Finished 5th in Div 7 points with 2 more races in the year to go to. If I just showed up I would have finished 3rd. Maybe 7 National events and always made 3rd round and some 4th round losses. Not sure what it has to do with leveling the race. But ok

[7423]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

How many on this topic have actually won an nhra national or divisional event in stock or super stock just want to know so I know what I'm talking to?????

Wow Mickey! Now the amount of bling that you have will qualify you to post on this thread. Never really played well with others did you? Apparently you don't like sharing your sandbox. And now you're talking about how you can't fix stupid? You are a classy Class Racer there Mickey . By the way, you can count me in for three of the little gold men. And no, none of them were in s/ss.

[Mickey Whaley]

Originally Posted by 7423

Wow Mickey! Now the amount of bling that you have will qualify you to post on this thread. Never really played well with others did you? Apparently you don't like sharing your sandbox. And now you're talking about how you can't fix stupid? You are a classy Class Racer there Mickey . By the way, you can count me in for three of the little gold men. And no, none of them were in s/ss.

Why are you on here then ? and I can triple those gold men and 5 div champs and 10 times in the top 10 national 14 natl event finals and I ran j/sa automatic on 2 of those div championships and got spotted way more than less you don't have a clue who you are talking to and if you want to talk bracket racing cant remember how many times I have won you can ask anyone about me! and as far as the dumb azz sandbox reply my monkey will leave you a surprise

[7423]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

Why are you on here then ? and I can triple those gold men and 5 div champs and 10 times in the top 10 national 14 natl event finals and I ran j/sa automatic on 2 of those div championships and got spotted way more than less you don't have a clue who you are talking to and if you want to talk bracket racing cant remember how many times I have won you can ask anyone about me!

Why am I on here you ask..............100% for the entertainment value. Your trophies and championships are amazing. I'm so jealous. You should do day time talk shows, maybe Dr Phil.
We all use shoe polish, we all race with a dial in, the slow car always leaves first and the fast one will always chase. Everyone in an 11 second and slower car will want TS and faster boys will not. The shame is that those faster boyz really don't have a clue what TS is or why they don't want it.
Your better rest now. Don't want your BP to get too high.

[Jeff Stout]

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

Why are you on here then ? and I can triple those gold men and 5 div champs and 10 times in the top 10 national 14 natl event finals and I ran j/sa automatic on 2 of those div championships and got spotted way more than less you don't have a clue who you are talking to and if you want to talk bracket racing cant remember how many times I have won you can ask anyone about me!

And all this means what? You opinion carries more weight now? The debate was good but now it's about personal accomplishments. So much for constructive discussion. You win. Congrats