09 challenger

gmonde · 01-02-2008, 09:54 PM

i am not particular to any car make,but i have to say that is one of the coolest production cars that i have seen,now to see some one build it to stocker status that would be a feat with in it self, the gears are turning(or grinding) gmonde

Jeff Teuton · 01-03-2008, 04:18 PM

We are getting 4 of which all are sold. We sell for window price (about 42k with the gas guzzler tax). I think there might be more than announced previously. Might be some factory race cars, but none are free. More as it goes on.

Randall Klein · 01-04-2008, 09:52 AM

If the marketing guru's at NHRA and the dying USA mfgs had any vision, they would initiate a series (class) with the three new retro cars (Mustang, Challenger, and Camaro)...Detroit mfg a base no frills moderate cost car, SEMA mfgs gear up for traction devices, and other necessary drag mods and NHRA offer a class, say within Stock Eliminator just featuring those three models

'ya think us old '60's gearheads would take a trip back in time with our discretionary income of today?

'ya think NHRA, SEMA and Detroit would partner up on this and make it happen? Nah

Bill Harris · 01-04-2008, 11:40 AM

The start of the retro muscle cars was when Ford introduced the '05 Mustang. How many of them do you see in stock and S/S? They weren't even in the classification guide until last year. One guy built a one for SS/GT and couldn't run in NHRA, only in IHRA, until he put up a fight to get it into the classification guide. It was added in May of '07, almost three years after it was introduced.

I have no idea of how competitive an '05-'07 Mustang would be in stock. The only engine is the 3 valve 4.6L SOHC engine which is factory 300HP. Even though it has never been run, NHRA put an extra 20 HP on it from the get-go so it's factored at 320. It could run D, E or F, but there aren't any out there. Why not? Why have the extra HP added to it before anyone even tries to run one?

It is probably Ford's fault, since it is up to the manufacturer to provide the specs for the classification guide. Ford doesn't seem to support drag racing at the sportsman level at all. They put more money into Harley pro-stock motorcycles (???!!!) than sportsman racing. It sucks, and as a Ford guy it pisses me off.

I'll betcha that within 6 months of the introduction of the new (ugly as sin IMHO) Camaro, there will be dozens of them in class racing. GM supports the sportsman and sees some value in having their cars at the track. That sure isn't going to make me change my colors but it does make me jealous.

SSDiv6 · 01-04-2008, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Harris

The start of the retro muscle cars was when Ford introduced the '05 Mustang. How many of them do you see in stock and S/S? They weren't even in the classification guide until last year. One guy built a one for SS/GT and couldn't run in NHRA, only in IHRA, until he put up a fight to get it into the classification guide. It was added in May of '07, almost three years after it was introduced.

I have no idea of how competitive an '05-'07 Mustang would be in stock. The only engine is the 4.6L DOHC engine which is factory 300HP. Even though it has never been run, NHRA put an extra 20 HP on it from the get-go so it's factored at 320. It could run D, E or F, but there aren't any out there. Why not? Why have the extra HP added to it before anyone even tries to run one?

It is probably Ford's fault, since it is up to the manufacturer to provide the specs for the classification guide. Ford doesn't seem to support drag racing at the sportsman level at all. They put more money into Harley pro-stock motorcycles (???!!!) than sportsman racing. It sucks, and as a Ford guy it pisses me off.

I'll betcha that within 6 months of the introduction of the new (ugly as sin IMHO) Camaro, there will be dozens of them in class racing. GM supports the sportsman and sees some value in having their cars at the track. That sure isn't going to make me change my colors but it does make me jealous.

Will be interesting to see how Evan Smith's new Shelby Mustang performs in SS/A.

Myron Piatek · 01-04-2008, 12:41 PM

As far as the new Mustang is concerned in Stock, wouldn't the 4.6 DOHC V-8 be more difficult to deal with in teardown than our current, conventional V-8s?

BRETV · 01-04-2008, 05:37 PM

It took me over a year to get Ford to send NHRA the spec's to my 2003 Mustang Cobra and we have been in the Ford business for over 30 years. They told me the only person they care about in NHRA drag racing is John Force and that's where all their attention and $ are going . Ford point blank told me they could care less about the sportsman racers. I'm still waiting on my class win Ford check from 5 years ago. They did do a good thing with giving Evan Smith the Shelby, so maybe they are starting to see THE BIG PICTURE.

To Myron:

I have been messing with the 4.6 DOHC 32v motor in this Cobra and between having 4 chains, 4 cams, 32 valve springs and lifter's and it being wider from valve cover to valve cover than a Boss 429 or a 426 hemi it been a piece of cake YA RIGHT, it's been a hand full.

P.S. I just want to tell ya little story. The first night I ever went bracket racing was on a Sat. night about 1986, in Orlando and who do I get first round was this Mopar guy who dialed slow, caught me at the 1/8 and fender raced me to the finish line and wore me out and I think it was you.

Good luck in 08 guys!!
Bret Velde
3028 A/S 2003 Cobra

01-02-2008, 09:54 PM	#1
gmonde Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 615 Likes: 56 Liked 165 Times in 59 Posts	Re: 09 challenger i am not particular to any car make,but i have to say that is one of the coolest production cars that i have seen,now to see some one build it to stocker status that would be a feat with in it self, the gears are turning(or grinding) gmonde

01-03-2008, 04:18 PM	#2
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 325 Times in 50 Posts	Re: 09 challenger We are getting 4 of which all are sold. We sell for window price (about 42k with the gas guzzler tax). I think there might be more than announced previously. Might be some factory race cars, but none are free. More as it goes on. __________________ Jeff Teuton 4022 STK

01-04-2008, 09:52 AM	#3
Randall Klein Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lincoln, Nebraska Posts: 785 Likes: 45 Liked 316 Times in 67 Posts	Re: 09 challenger If the marketing guru's at NHRA and the dying USA mfgs had any vision, they would initiate a series (class) with the three new retro cars (Mustang, Challenger, and Camaro)...Detroit mfg a base no frills moderate cost car, SEMA mfgs gear up for traction devices, and other necessary drag mods and NHRA offer a class, say within Stock Eliminator just featuring those three models 'ya think us old '60's gearheads would take a trip back in time with our discretionary income of today? 'ya think NHRA, SEMA and Detroit would partner up on this and make it happen? Nah

01-04-2008, 11:40 AM	#4
Bill Harris Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ooltewah, TN Posts: 421 Likes: 13 Liked 26 Times in 13 Posts	Re: 09 challenger The start of the retro muscle cars was when Ford introduced the '05 Mustang. How many of them do you see in stock and S/S? They weren't even in the classification guide until last year. One guy built a one for SS/GT and couldn't run in NHRA, only in IHRA, until he put up a fight to get it into the classification guide. It was added in May of '07, almost three years after it was introduced. I have no idea of how competitive an '05-'07 Mustang would be in stock. The only engine is the 3 valve 4.6L SOHC engine which is factory 300HP. Even though it has never been run, NHRA put an extra 20 HP on it from the get-go so it's factored at 320. It could run D, E or F, but there aren't any out there. Why not? Why have the extra HP added to it before anyone even tries to run one? It is probably Ford's fault, since it is up to the manufacturer to provide the specs for the classification guide. Ford doesn't seem to support drag racing at the sportsman level at all. They put more money into Harley pro-stock motorcycles (???!!!) than sportsman racing. It sucks, and as a Ford guy it pisses me off. I'll betcha that within 6 months of the introduction of the new (ugly as sin IMHO) Camaro, there will be dozens of them in class racing. GM supports the sportsman and sees some value in having their cars at the track. That sure isn't going to make me change my colors but it does make me jealous. __________________ Bill Harris ex 2172 STK ex 2272 S/S Last edited by Bill Harris; 01-04-2008 at 01:09 PM. Reason: Not DOHC, 3-valve SOHC engine

01-04-2008, 12:41 PM	#6
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,542 Likes: 34 Liked 138 Times in 51 Posts	Re: 09 challenger As far as the new Mustang is concerned in Stock, wouldn't the 4.6 DOHC V-8 be more difficult to deal with in teardown than our current, conventional V-8s? __________________ LOCOMOTION Racing

01-04-2008, 05:37 PM	#7
BRETV Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 568 Likes: 4,264 Liked 776 Times in 199 Posts	Re: 09 challenger It took me over a year to get Ford to send NHRA the spec's to my 2003 Mustang Cobra and we have been in the Ford business for over 30 years. They told me the only person they care about in NHRA drag racing is John Force and that's where all their attention and $ are going . Ford point blank told me they could care less about the sportsman racers. I'm still waiting on my class win Ford check from 5 years ago. They did do a good thing with giving Evan Smith the Shelby, so maybe they are starting to see THE BIG PICTURE. To Myron: I have been messing with the 4.6 DOHC 32v motor in this Cobra and between having 4 chains, 4 cams, 32 valve springs and lifter's and it being wider from valve cover to valve cover than a Boss 429 or a 426 hemi it been a piece of cake YA RIGHT, it's been a hand full. P.S. I just want to tell ya little story. The first night I ever went bracket racing was on a Sat. night about 1986, in Orlando and who do I get first round was this Mopar guy who dialed slow, caught me at the 1/8 and fender raced me to the finish line and wore me out and I think it was you. Good luck in 08 guys!! Bret Velde 3028 A/S 2003 Cobra