Important if you run D-H/S or SA

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Keep trying to change the subject boys! The subject is LD340 intakes in Stock Eliminator. That's S.T.O.C.K. E.L.I.M.I.N.A.T.O.R.
Not Comp or SS or ET-2.
Come on Chrysler guys, you can say it! S.T.O.C.K. E.L.I.M.I.N.A.T.O.R.

Billy - I get the fact that you're trying very hard to change the direction that Stock eliminator is headed and I agree with some of what you're saying .But eliminating that manifold isn't going to change anything except how YOU feel about it .And lets face facts - I'm not aware of you having any skin in that game and you're pissing off many who do .It should be up to the competitors in D-E-F-G-H to complain to the NHRA .And I'm sure there are plenty of Chevrolet and Ford combos that fit in those classes .

[Billy Nees]

Jack, if the addition of this or any intake manifold or aftermarket part can affect the performance of a combo, it can affect where and how that car qualifies. That means that it can affect where and how I qualify. It also affects who I race, when I race and the outcome of the race. Same deal as if a completely illegal car makes it onto a Q-sheet. Where I'm going with this is if I have to qualify against a combo, then I've got "skin in the game".
And when have you ever known me to be afraid of pissing some people off?

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

. . . . .It should be up to the competitors in D-E-F-G-H to complain to the NHRA .

I have to disagree with you there, Jack. The continual erosion of standards affects everybody who races the category and contributes to the demise of Stock Eliminator. All of these arguments that people throw out like "look at all the other stuff that is wrong" or "it doesn't matter since it doesn't help performance" are either excuses for not being willing to stand up for what is right or they are from people who don't care if they cheat or not. There is already enough bogus stuff in the specs and replacement parts category that has become the mainstream that it will be virtually impossible in the current venue to correct, so adding to the list doesn't help anybody. If a spectator looks under the hood of a Stock Eliminator car, it should not look like a bracket racer's engine or a Super Stock engine. When Stock Eliminator becomes so diluted from the original definition that it is not discernable from other categories of racing, then it will be absorbed, eliminated or meaningless. If anything, it would help to move back to originality, to production specs and accurate policing so that there is a more unique identity to market.

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

I have to disagree with you there, Jack. The continual erosion of standards affects everybody who races the category and contributes to the demise of Stock Eliminator. All of these arguments that people throw out like "look at all the other stuff that is wrong" or "it doesn't matter since it doesn't help performance" are either excuses for not being willing to stand up for what is right or they are from people who don't care if they cheat or not. There is already enough bogus stuff in the specs and replacement parts category that has become the mainstream that it will be virtually impossible in the current venue to correct, so adding to the list doesn't help anybody. If a spectator looks under the hood of a Stock Eliminator car, it should not look like a bracket racer's engine or a Super Stock engine. When Stock Eliminator becomes so diluted from the original definition that it is not discernable from other categories of racing, then it will be absorbed, eliminated or meaningless. If anything, it would help to move back to originality, to production specs and accurate policing so that there is a more unique identity to market.

I'm OK with having original specs .......just how far back do you want to go??I started almost at the beginning and there was just as much pissing and moaning then .As for cheating - like I said before even the iron ones are not stock anymore .As for qualifing - that's a whole different story - and in the end we all have to race each other so does it matter?It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! ! Billys' BS about who he has to run doesn't hold water in my book.

As for the spectators most don't know what a Stocker engine looks like and even if they did there are so many aftermarket parts under our hoods that a manifold isn't going to make any difference in appearance.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

Billys' BS about who he has to run doesn't hold water in my book.

Then why do we bother to qualify?

[davidhuff]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Then why do we bother to qualify?

I am with you Billy Nees on this.

[Dwight Southerland]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

I'm OK with having original specs .......just how far back do you want to go??I started almost at the beginning and there was just as much pissing and moaning then .As for cheating - like I said before even the iron ones are not stock anymore .As for qualifing - that's a whole different story - and in the end we all have to race each other so does it matter?It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! ! Billys' BS about who he has to run doesn't hold water in my book.

As for the spectators most don't know what a Stocker engine looks like and even if they did there are so many aftermarket parts under our hoods that a manifold isn't going to make any difference in appearance.

Jack, I can probably go back as far as you can. And if it doesn't matter, then why not get rid of all the bogusness? It would surely not be any harder or more expensive than it is now, and it would open some opportunities for new competitors who are daunted by the $$. The argument that it's already screwed up so it doesn't matter doesn't hold water for me. That's like saying because the government has always been corrupt that we should just put up with it. Stock Eliminator does not have anyone fighting for it so we can either pick up the fight or let it get eaten by apathy and disdain.

[Bob Mulry]

Originally Posted by Jack Matyas

I'm OK with having original specs .......just how far back do you want to go??I started almost at the beginning and there was just as much pissing and moaning then .As for cheating - like I said before even the iron ones are not stock anymore .As for qualifing - that's a whole different story - and in the end we all have to race each other so does it matter?It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! ! Billys' BS about who he has to run doesn't hold water in my book.

As for the spectators most don't know what a Stocker engine looks like and even if they did there are so many aftermarket parts under our hoods that a manifold isn't going to make any difference in appearance.

Hi Jack,

It does appear that you have evolved......

The problem is that you evolved into Pro ET Eliminator, just like you said "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What ever happened to HEADS-UP in the Eliminator.....So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What ever happened to National Records..........So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What ever happened to Class Racing...........So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What about qualifying......So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

I guess this is what happens when we allow the camel to get his nose under the tent flap.....

Nothing but the slippery slope is left....

You have sure come a long way from Junior Stock,
Bob

[Jack Matyas]

Originally Posted by Bob Mulry

Hi Jack,

It does appear that you have evolved......

The problem is that you evolved into Pro ET Eliminator, just like you said "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What ever happened to HEADS-UP in the Eliminator.....So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What ever happened to National Records..........So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What ever happened to Class Racing...........So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

What about qualifying......So much for "It's all about getting a light and running your number ! ! !"

I guess this is what happens when we allow the camel to get his nose under the tent flap.....

Nothing but the slippery slope is left....

You have sure come a long way from Junior Stock,
Bob

Bob- You can flame me all you want but I'm not the enemy - only the messenger ! ! ! As for ""It's all about getting a light and running your number" - even Billy will tell you how wrong you are about me evolving .All of the things you pointed out are and have always been important to me - no exceptions .I must follow the rules just like everyone else and those close to me ( including Billy) will tell you I'll fight to the death to keep things going for Stock and S/S .That said the biggest problem we have is that there are few left in the NHRA tech dept. who can properly police these issues .Better call Dave Ley for example and see if he can clone himself.Or I'm sure I can come with a tech shirt in your size and you can be part of the solution .

PS- Pro Eliminator ?? Me ??? You sir don't know me .BTW, as for National Records I have more than a hundred and every one has memories that can't be bought.

[Billy Nees]

Awww Jack, you just brought a tear to my eye! But I hate to say it, it seems to me that you're trying to play both sides of the street!