Interesting...Jon Asher on Pro Stock and Factory Stock

[davidhuff]

There is a market for new factory performance cars.The new Dodge Demon will all be sold above MSRP, if you can get one at all.I would love to see the big three get back into nhra factory stock and replace pro stock.JMO

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Paradigm Shift

Not a chance that any of these arcane suggestions would have a positive impact on either appeal or attendance.


There is virtually no one among the average NHRA fan base that would have any interest in, and in many cases, any knowledge of, the technical merits associated with these suggested limitations and the resultant competition parameters.


These intrinsic and esoteric proposals are certainly at odds with what is on display at each NHRA event. As routinely mentioned, look at the stands and realistically comprehend who attends events to watch these rules confined and clearly weaker performing eliminators.









You have to get people there. The effort to create enthusiasm and interest must be created externally and then develop intrinsically.



Class racing will last. No one outside of racers cares anything about it nor have they for decades. The racers will continue to show up, entertain and enjoy themselves and spend a great deal of money that is certainly necessary for event operating costs. That is, unless the sanction can convince and consistently rely upon a group of 60-100 11.90 cars to attend and then Stock is over with.

I can see by your writing that you are a well educated man. How about you decipher this post in PLAIN English so this dumb Azz hillbilly can understand what you are sharing with us ??

[Stocker 2]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

I can see by your writing that you are a well educated man. How about you decipher this post in PLAIN English so this dumb Azz hillbilly can understand what you are sharing with us ??

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[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Interesting piece. If it does replace pro stock how much will the cost go up?

A lot !
First of all , you'll need two sets of new tires for every race. One for qualifying,..one for the eliminator.
Oh, you guys think you won't need them? Maybe not, but the well financed pro team in the other lane will have them.
Yes, and you'll need crew members, gaskets, special tools, etc. , for the tear down.
Yes, tear down. These ARE Stockers, right?
They left them alone for a year, and look what happened.
Somebody sprinkled water on their supercharger, and it grew bigger.
Imagine that.

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Mike Fuller

Interesting piece. If it does replace pro stock how much will the cost go up?

Millionaires Gone WILD...!!

[Pedigo Perf]

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

Millionaires Gone WILD...!!

Like this isn't happening already?

[james schaechter]

Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

A lot !
First of all , you'll need two sets of new tires for every race. One for qualifying,..one for the eliminator.
Oh, you guys think you won't need them? Maybe not, but the well financed pro team in the other lane will have them.
Yes, and you'll need crew members, gaskets, special tools, etc. , for the tear down.
Yes, tear down. These ARE Stockers, right?
They left them alone for a year, and look what happened.
Somebody sprinkled water on their supercharger, and it grew bigger.
Imagine that.

That is funny! And no one got tossed either...

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Pedigo Perf

Like this isn't happening already?

Yes sir ..I agree but.......as the legendary band Bachman Turner Overdrive would say............You ain't seen nothin yet..........

[nhramnl]

Let's not forget that this problem has been going on for decades. NHRA is completely incapable of enforcing the rules in any category, and the result has always been a gradual but steady increase in complexity and cost. Stockers used to actually be substantially stock. When they were, a racer could actually build one and compete at Divisional and even National events. He would load his Stocker on his open trailer, and his pickup would pull it to the track. Nowadays, He puts his $125,000 car in his stacker trailer and pulls it with a $200,000 toterhome. I feel (and admit that it's just my observation) that all categories have been allowed to do literally whatever they want, and the result has been former fans just losing interest, primarily because they don't understand the differences between categories and classes. Also, NHRA has made National events into circuses, with snowmobiles, bracket cars, Pro Mod, Top Dragster and Top Sportsman. Super Stock used to be an actual draw, because people who understood and loved the cars and what racers were able to make them do, would run to the fence to watch the wheelstands, whenever they were called. Finally, we shouldn't forget that many of today's kids couldn't care less about cars. Sure, Junior Dragster offers an option to the few who do intend to grow up in the sport, but the majority of kids would rather play video games. Everything has a life span, and that's usually because what starts out as a simple, great idea gets distorted into something you can't even recognize.

[Paradigm Shift]

We’re fortunate to have many bright, creative and resourceful members that contribute to this forum and it’s a pleasure to state that I learn from them each time I visit. I’m certain that other members are like-minded in this regard.

Before any additional energy is expelled by the release of thought/idea vectors that emanate from the Classracer nucleus, and prior to taking up cudgels for Pro Stock, Factory Stock or both, let’s use reverse gear and return to the origins of this thread.

Mike’s initial post referenced a short article that can only be understood to imply that a Pro-Stock hauler today is no less than a rolling sarcophagus, likely of limestone. Its ornate decor has been transformed to hieroglyphics, requiring the Rosetta stone to provide clarity and understanding.

In our organization, it's vital to fully understand a problem prior to attempting to create and implement a resolution.

The great man, Albert Einstein stated (and I paraphrase) – Give me an hour to save the world and I’ll spend 55 minutes defining the problem and 5 minutes resolving it.

So let’s begin the exercise.

The referenced article reinforced human nature. We’re very adept at creating solutions. Solutions are much more pleasurable and seemingly productive than analysis. The author spent considerable time discussing his proposal of a solution but very little time was consumed toward clearly defining the problem.

· Does Pro Stock have a problem? If so, what is it?