Jones Head - Racers Only

[SStockDart]

This is wrong. All the best, Erik.
Oops, didn't see "racers only",, retired!!!

[fredjohnston]

Originally Posted by charlie westcott

I am going to admit 2 things here,
1As a manufacturer of parts, some made from billet forms or steel and aluminum, and some using castings, I feel like I have a little knowledge on this subject.

Getting a part approved by NHRA for anything has always been pretty easy in my opinion. I have several pistons/rods approved, and went through the deal.
It took 2 phone calls, and a sample.

cw

You could most likely submit your prototype part to NHRA for approval using cardboard and newspaper and it would get approved. That's what you get when most of the people in the approval process know nothing about an engine other than it starts when you turn the key.

[Larry Fulton]

I wonder, If these heads that Eric wants to produce for SS, were made and sold by an Edelbrock, or another manufacture, would there be such an uproar?

SS & "STOCK" are both so far removed and advanced from the original intent of the rules already, I can't help but think that these castings wouldn't save you a couple of bucks in the long run.

Just my opinion.

[Kevin Panzino]

Originally Posted by Erik Jones

As per the conversation i had with the NHRA tech dept this afternoon i have submitted a letter to rescind the approved head that is on the list as well as the straight plug and LT1 head that i submitted for approval.......

I'm sorry to hear this. I was really looking forward to playing with these heads and not have to weld and have epoxy in them.

[SS734]

Just a thought?????


Maybe its time to separate "Replacement" vs "Aftermarket" heads.


Steel "as-cast" become head numbers in the build sheet and the Aftermarket heads "Alum and Pro-port" style stay with a HP penalty?

[TinSoldier 3215]

It's a very disappointing 2018 Year of racing and was looking forward to the 2019 racing Year. TinSoldier SS/JA.

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by fredjohnston

You could most likely submit your prototype part to NHRA for approval using cardboard and newspaper and it would get approved. That's what you get when most of the people in the approval process know nothing about an engine other than it starts when you turn the key.

Approving a 440 Mopar made out of a 400 short deck comes to mind.

[B Aceves]

Originally Posted by nhramnl

[QUOTE:]
If you can buy a NEW nice head to make a race head out of, and not have to get some piece of junkyard crap, clean it, crack check it, weld it, hope it doesnt crack when it cools, etc. then why all the bitching?



Umm, because this isn't Comp or Pro Stock?

How bout you follow some simple instructions and RULES that were placed at the beginning of this thread . It's very informative information and a you trying to
Hyjack the thread is not appreciated or needed.
Thank you .
Bob Aceves
746 D/SA

[nhramnl]

Originally Posted by B Aceves

How bout you follow some simple instructions and RULES that were placed at the beginning of this thread . It's very informative information and a you trying to
Hyjack the thread is not appreciated or needed.
Thank you .
Bob Aceves
746 D/SA

Not trying to hijack anything. The implication was made that finding OEM heads in junkyards and spending a fortune to convert them to "race heads" is stupid. It is, but unfortunately, those are also the rules. My comment was meant to illustrate that. If Super Stock goes one step further, we will have aftermarket everything (i.e. blocks, cranks, rods, pistons, camshafts, lifters, cylinder heads, valves, valve springs, rocker arms, pushrods, carburetors, fuel injection systems, etc.). Will it still even be Super Stock, or just some one-off subset of Comp? Don't know how old you are, but I was around in the days when a smart, hardworking guy could build an entire car for the price of a short block today. That's why the .90 classes are full and Super Stock is slowly dying. And it's easy for the keyboard tough-guys to say "If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen", but they won't be so tough when the category is gone. My comments are as valid as yours, so don't tell me what's appreciated or needed and what isn't.

[nhramnl]

You did make your point on the rules. Mike Lyons GT/JA 5727. And I guess I should be polite enough to say "...so please don't tell me what is appreciated or needed and what isn't". You were a gentleman and said "Thank you" at the end of your post, and I should be the same.