Explain to me again, please - Page 11

Terry Cain · 01-08-2022, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Just a thought then. If you don't want to wait 6 mos. and spend $2100, why not put the last hyd. cam and lifters back in, for now? At least you could race your car.
;-)

looks like that is my best option although as I have said before "Really would like to get the Schubecks out and on a shelf because they are just a bomb waiting to go off.

Bob Mulry · 01-08-2022, 04:11 PM

OK OK OK

You've worn me down, so go back over 20 years and see my position on the unlimited valve spring pressure rule.

With a limited lift rule the one way was to increase the flow under the curve is by producing more and more radical lift rates and cam profiles.

The unlimited valve spring rule certainly brought the "Law of unintended consequences" to the forefront of Stock Eliminated Class Racing.

I tried to point out to be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it.

GTX JOHN · 01-09-2022, 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

There has always been a protest rule....

Not in Div. 7 for the last 8 or 10 years per our Div. Director!

Is that Good or Bad?

Probably has saved some Fist Fights in the Pits!

30 years ago I would never go to the track without my
Boxing Gloves hanging in the trailer!!

B Parker · 01-09-2022, 01:31 PM

So, the 95% of us that race Stock and have motors built by todays rules should just junk our stuff because you don't want to keep up with today's Stock eliminator. So, let's all get our engine cranes out and get our motors out and set them in the rubbish. Yup that's a good idea. Think you have problems getting parts now. Why not go back and if your combo came with cast pistons you have to run cast pistons. Look I didn't ask for any of the rules they changed in the last 45 years. Wasn't a fan of a lot of them but it's what they are. No one is telling you that you can't still build your car using the rules from 45 years ago. I'd be happy if they would just stop changing the rules at all. BP

Larry Hill · 01-09-2022, 02:28 PM

You mean that I don’t have to use the stock slugs but still have to run a rod and piston that weighs 3.8 pounds. How heavy are they at 6100 rpm?

GUMP · 01-09-2022, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

You mean that I don’t have to use the stock slugs but still have to run a rod and piston that weighs 3.8 pounds. How heavy are they at 6100 rpm?

Yesterday I got a call from a guy that I have a lot of respect for. I suggested to him that after the lifters there will be a request to do away with the piston weights.......

john ancona · 01-09-2022, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

So, the 95% of us that race Stock and have motors built by todays rules should just junk our stuff because you don't want to keep up with today's Stock eliminator. So, let's all get our engine cranes out and get our motors out and set them in the rubbish. Yup that's a good idea. Think you have problems getting parts now. Why not go back and if your combo came with cast pistons you have to run cast pistons. Look I didn't ask for any of the rules they changed in the last 45 years. Wasn't a fan of a lot of them but it's what they are. No one is telling you that you can't still build your car using the rules from 45 years ago. I'd be happy if they would just stop changing the rules at all. BP

You can be assured that the number is not close to 95%,built by todays rules , if it's
50 % I would be surprised , if you have enhanced head then get the cherry picker ,if not then remove the valve springs ,rockers ,and go back to the 1980's ,oh but wait the rules were enforced ,and the tech department was actually checking engines ,today
it's all about NHRA slowly headed down hill ,I drove by the new NHRA location ,blinked
and missed it !

Billy Nees · 01-09-2022, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

You mean that I don’t have to use the stock slugs but still have to run a rod and piston that weighs 3.8 pounds. How heavy are they at 6100 rpm?

Larry, Larry, Larry, Ya piks yer kombo and ya pays yer dooz.
I seem to remember the wedges getting some "rotating mass" help quite a few years ago.

Billy Nees · 01-09-2022, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B Parker

So, the 95% of us that race Stock and have motors built by todays rules should just junk our stuff because you don't want to keep up with today's Stock eliminator. So, let's all get our engine cranes out and get our motors out and set them in the rubbish. Yup that's a good idea. Think you have problems getting parts now. Why not go back and if your combo came with cast pistons you have to run cast pistons. Look I didn't ask for any of the rules they changed in the last 45 years. Wasn't a fan of a lot of them but it's what they are. No one is telling you that you can't still build your car using the rules from 45 years ago. I'd be happy if they would just stop changing the rules at all. BP

I'm pretty sure that you're way off on that 95% number. Are you keeping Govt. records of the covid numbers in your spare time? ;-)
Why would you think that you would have to "junk your stuff"? This is about roller lifters in non-roller combos.
There's no way that the rules are going to get rolled back to the 80's!

J.R. Haddad · 01-09-2022, 03:41 PM

it's all about NHRA slowly headed down hill ,I drove by the new NHRA location ,blinked
and missed it !

If NHRA leased out their old premises, because most people are now in
Indianapolis, and they only need a small space for the ones that want
to remain in a "California" lifestyle, I like that move. They are obviously
ahead financially by that move, and that is better for us. I may not agree
with anybody remaining in California, but that's another topic.

J.R.

01-08-2022, 04:11 PM	#102
Bob Mulry VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Coarsegold, CA Posts: 1,016 Likes: 57 Liked 320 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Explain to me again, please OK OK OK You've worn me down, so go back over 20 years and see my position on the unlimited valve spring pressure rule. With a limited lift rule the one way was to increase the flow under the curve is by producing more and more radical lift rates and cam profiles. The unlimited valve spring rule certainly brought the "Law of unintended consequences" to the forefront of Stock Eliminated Class Racing. I tried to point out to be careful what you wish for, because you might just get it. __________________ Bob Mulry 7516 STK A & M Motorsports

01-09-2022, 01:31 PM	#104
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: Explain to me again, please So, the 95% of us that race Stock and have motors built by todays rules should just junk our stuff because you don't want to keep up with today's Stock eliminator. So, let's all get our engine cranes out and get our motors out and set them in the rubbish. Yup that's a good idea. Think you have problems getting parts now. Why not go back and if your combo came with cast pistons you have to run cast pistons. Look I didn't ask for any of the rules they changed in the last 45 years. Wasn't a fan of a lot of them but it's what they are. No one is telling you that you can't still build your car using the rules from 45 years ago. I'd be happy if they would just stop changing the rules at all. BP

01-09-2022, 02:28 PM	#105
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01-09-2022, 03:41 PM	#110
J.R. Haddad Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 785 Likes: 939 Liked 1,468 Times in 308 Posts	Re: Explain to me again, please it's all about NHRA slowly headed down hill ,I drove by the new NHRA location ,blinked and missed it ! If NHRA leased out their old premises, because most people are now in Indianapolis, and they only need a small space for the ones that want to remain in a "California" lifestyle, I like that move. They are obviously ahead financially by that move, and that is better for us. I may not agree with anybody remaining in California, but that's another topic. J.R.