Why is there a breakout on S/SS combos?

PONTIAC'S REVENGE · 07-13-2022, 08:29 AM

Ok were running class and there's so many classes they've designed a combo race. Great Idea but its class right? Why make it just asmother bracket race? My opinion is remove the breakout! It would be keeping with the original Eliminator days. The fastest car wins! What a novel idea!!! Lol! But wait does that always happen? Hmmmm

dartman · 07-13-2022, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PONTIAC'S REVENGE

Ok were running class and there's so many classes they've designed a combo race. Great Idea but its class right? Why make it just asmother bracket race? My opinion is remove the breakout! It would be keeping with the original Eliminator days. The fastest car wins! What a novel idea!!! Lol!

Is this for class run offs,if so.There is no break out.They run off their Index.The fastest car wins! What a novel idea!!! Lol!

Jeff Niceswanger · 07-13-2022, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by PONTIAC'S REVENGE

Ok were running class and there's so many classes they've designed a combo race. Great Idea but its class right? Why make it just asmother bracket race? My opinion is remove the breakout! It would be keeping with the original Eliminator days. The fastest car wins! What a novel idea!!! Lol! But wait does that always happen? Hmmmm

I unsuccessfully pushed for that at our's. Course I had a fast car. Really irritated me when I came up against another same class car and I had a dial in on that window. We had scales available most of the times, but not always. Without available scales it's kind of impossible. And then there's the fuel check. Most small clubs have no way of doing them. I advised just ignoring it. I just could not see someone spending the time, money and hassle to use a illegal "Fast" fuel at those races, If they did you would most likely smell it in the lanes. If that became an issue somehow, cross that bridge if it ever happens.

442OLDS · 07-13-2022, 11:28 AM

Not sure I really understand the question here. My one and only class win was in Topeka where I went into the combo class.I won three rounds and there was "no breakout".
I have been competing at several Midwest Class Racer events in a SS/S combo.There are heads up races at these events.
What am I missing here? What are you talking about?

novassdude · 07-13-2022, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Not sure I really understand the question here. My one and only class win was in Topeka where I went into the combo class.I won three rounds and there was "no breakout".
I have been competing at several Midwest Class Racer events in a SS/S combo.There are heads up races at these events.
What am I missing here? What are you talking about?

Yes the Midwest group does things right. But I think a lot of the association races do not have heads up for same class match-ups.

Jim Caughlin · 07-13-2022, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Not sure I really understand the question here. My one and only class win was in Topeka where I went into the combo class.I won three rounds and there was "no breakout".
I have been competing at several Midwest Class Racer events in a SS/S combo.There are heads up races at these events.
What am I missing here? What are you talking about?

I am equally confused, there is no break out during class eliminations regardless of whether it is a combo, done it numerous times. Handicapped off index but first to the finishline wins.

Mike Pearson · 07-13-2022, 01:11 PM

Some of the independent associations have "no heads up runs" at their races. I know the SSSSA was that way. It was voted by the racers to have no heads up to make it a more friendly environment for the slower racers

Our D2 National Open series races is random pair first round and those races have no heads up in round one. Break out is enforced. subsequent rounds are heads up no break out.

James Perrone · 07-13-2022, 04:30 PM

Combo race means what it says
Stock and super stock combined eliminations

Why would there be heads up ?
Also you my lose the paying customer with a slow car
Its a racer friendly race
Can go fast as you want
Get paid some $$$

Why do you live in the past. ?

442OLDS · 07-14-2022, 11:42 AM

I was thinking about this and I think you want both cars to dial in at their index? Then,there is no breakout.
Whoever is the farthest under should theoretically win.
I bet the car counts would really plummet if this ever happens.

Mike Pearson · 07-14-2022, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 442OLDS

I was thinking about this and I think you want both cars to dial in at their index? Then,there is no breakout.
Whoever is the farthest under should theoretically win.
I bet the car counts would really plummet if this ever happens.

Thats how it was in the old days of Modified Eliminator. You can see that class is no longer in existence. You ran off of the class index. First to the finish line won the round. No Break out .

Comp is run off of the index and no break out. You get CIC hit if you go too far under the index. Comp is having trouble with car counts. The last D2 divisional had 2 comp cars there. So that class is dying a slow death.

07-13-2022, 08:29 AM	#1
PONTIAC'S REVENGE Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: CARMEL, INDIANA Posts: 141 Likes: 69 Liked 48 Times in 18 Posts	Why is there a breakout on S/SS combos? Ok were running class and there's so many classes they've designed a combo race. Great Idea but its class right? Why make it just asmother bracket race? My opinion is remove the breakout! It would be keeping with the original Eliminator days. The fastest car wins! What a novel idea!!! Lol! But wait does that always happen? Hmmmm Last edited by PONTIAC'S REVENGE; 07-13-2022 at 08:38 AM.

07-13-2022, 11:28 AM	#4
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,338 Likes: 5 Liked 281 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Why is there a breakout on S/SS combos? Not sure I really understand the question here. My one and only class win was in Topeka where I went into the combo class.I won three rounds and there was "no breakout". I have been competing at several Midwest Class Racer events in a SS/S combo.There are heads up races at these events. What am I missing here? What are you talking about?

07-13-2022, 01:11 PM	#7
Mike Pearson VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,417 Likes: 597 Liked 1,880 Times in 562 Posts	Re: Why is there a breakout on S/SS combos? Some of the independent associations have "no heads up runs" at their races. I know the SSSSA was that way. It was voted by the racers to have no heads up to make it a more friendly environment for the slower racers Our D2 National Open series races is random pair first round and those races have no heads up in round one. Break out is enforced. subsequent rounds are heads up no break out. __________________ Mike Pearson 2485 SS

07-13-2022, 04:30 PM	#8
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,655 Likes: 3,315 Liked 1,775 Times in 416 Posts	Re: Why is there a breakout on S/SS combos? Combo race means what it says Stock and super stock combined eliminations Why would there be heads up ? Also you my lose the paying customer with a slow car Its a racer friendly race Can go fast as you want Get paid some $$$ Why do you live in the past. ? __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

07-14-2022, 11:42 AM	#9
442OLDS VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Elgin,IL Posts: 1,338 Likes: 5 Liked 281 Times in 102 Posts	Re: Why is there a breakout on S/SS combos? I was thinking about this and I think you want both cars to dial in at their index? Then,there is no breakout. Whoever is the farthest under should theoretically win. I bet the car counts would really plummet if this ever happens.