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Old 09-07-2022, 11:30 PM   #1
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Default AHFS Foibles

I'm not an expert on this subject so I'll need a few outside opinions.
Recently my good friend Lead Foot Eddie gave the 87 El Camino a big wallop with 11 hp.
I've been told that the Elky is considered a truck, and therefore can use a .430 lift cam.
I've also been told there was no teardown.
Now, upon examining the new NHRA rating, I see that the 2 dr. Monte also got the 11 hp hit.
Two problems I see here..
First, the 2 dr car has to use a .357 /.390 lift cam.
Second, it's a bit of a different platform, at it's 108 in. wheelbase.
The "truck" is 117.1
I contend that the 2dr. shouldn't have gotten the hit at all.
No, I'm not building one, but I hate to see two good combos whacked, when it should be only one.
Those who are still awake here after all of this,, what say you?
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Old 09-07-2022, 11:36 PM   #2
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Mark, the 2 different camshafts seals the deal, it's two different combinations. It is indefensible, and NHRA must adjust the Monte Carlo
back to what it was. Perhaps an oversight, perhaps not. It must be undone.

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Old 09-08-2022, 07:56 AM   #3
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You are correct about the wheelbase difference and the Monte Carlo shouldn't get a hit.
There are no 1987 Chevrolet Trucks listed in the classification guide. The ElCamino is and has always been classified as a car.
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:09 AM   #4
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The 1987 class guide list the the ElCamino as a pickup. So is the word truck understood? The wheel base difference of 9.1” should make it a different platform. The camshaft deal like JR pointed out is enough to fix the car part.
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So is the word truck understood? The wheel base difference of 9.1” should make it a different platform.
The word "Truck" is very specific in the "Engine Blueprint Specs.".
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Ya know Larry, you've been around for long enough to know what happens when you assume that something is understood when dealing with the NHRA. ;-)
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Old 09-08-2022, 09:46 AM   #7
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I talked to Pat C. at NHRA on 8/29/22 . He agreed that only the 1987 El camino (truck). should be refactored. Eddiie's engine was torn down. No problem.
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Old 09-08-2022, 10:09 AM   #8
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i was pitted with eddy at epping, he had to borrow some tools for tech teardown, nhra measured throttle body diameter and made him pull valve cover. not sure what they looked for in valve-train
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I talked to Pat C. at NHRA on 8/29/22 . He agreed that only the 1987 El camino (truck). should be refactored. Eddiie's engine was torn down. No problem.
Bob, I should have just called you. I knew you'd be on top of this.
Apologies if there was a full teardown..No doubt it would have passed one.

Billy is correct. The El Camino was always in the guide...before there were truck classes.

Some of you might remember the Jr. Stock Hydramatic sedan delivery "truck" deal.
It was legal until one day, it wasn't ;-)
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If El Caminos are trucks then who is going to explain to Dennis Paz that his SS/NA El Camino is no longer legal? Trucks can't and never could run in regular SS classes.
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