? of the day

Frank Castros · 10-02-2022, 09:09 AM

Ban this crap.

PozQB14 · 10-02-2022, 09:22 AM

One of the big issues to be addressed is using a racepak in conjuction with a grid for the purpose of sensors on your driveshaft. I understand you want to use one to find out where you need to be with your converter or manual transmission gearing at a testing session. But nhra can easily look under stock and super stockers and if they see wires hanging off a rear end at the pinion, it should be an immediate DQ. Btw, all Holley EFI systems have this option without using a racepak, not sure about fast or big stuff. With these EFI combos, the options for engine management and timing controls are endless going down the track consistently.

B Parker · 10-02-2022, 09:36 PM

Billy, Charlie and Frank have you guys ever used a grid or a Race Pac. I would much prefer one of the old digital boxes but they don't make them anymore. I have both a carb car and a ETI car. The EFI car has it all over the carb car with the grid. If you know a way that you can use the grid to cheat lets here it. Now I wish I could tune the carb car as it went down the track. Anything that you can do with the grid you can
petty much do with the EFI cars. There maybe a few exceptions but I not aware of any. BP

I'm not an expert at using the grid and this year of racing is over for me. But next year come on over if your at a race I'm racing at. I'll plug the grid into my computer and show you what it can and can't do. I'd worry more about delay boxes or boxes with in another box.

Billy Nees · 10-03-2022, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

I'd worry more about delay boxes or boxes with in another box.

OK Barry, this is as good a place to start as any. What should be done about it? Should NHRA be arbitrarily "confiscating" (or replacing) ignition boxes, data loggers and tachometers? I seem to remember several years ago NHRA handing a prominent Sportsmen Racer an ignition box and telling him to give them his! Is this the answer?

voltdr · 10-03-2022, 10:07 AM

At INDY, NHRA pulled SG and SC cars into the barn to look at wiring and ignition stuff. Just like our delay boxes, I believe the grid can only make adjustments to timing based on preprogrammed info not on the fly. However, when I go to Big $$$ bracket races, we’re required to disconnect our driveshaft sensors during eliminations.
Dan
SC 44

B Parker · 10-03-2022, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK Barry, this is as good a place to start as any. What should be done about it? Should NHRA be arbitrarily "confiscating" (or replacing) ignition boxes, data loggers and tachometers? I seem to remember several years ago NHRA handing a prominent Sportsmen Racer an ignition box and telling him to give them his! Is this the answer?

Billy, As I see it the main problem in fixing all this has to do with money. As far as I know NHRA Tec department does not have a qualified expert in the field of electronics. If they don't they need one. Not only for our cars but for the Pro's. It might be hard to hire one because anyone with that kind of knowledge is probably already working and making decent money. I'd be looking at contracting a company such as MSD and others to do electronic tec inspections. MSD is already at the National's. That's why I said them but I'm sure there are others they could contract with. Just do one Stocker and Super/Stocker at a National race. No other tear down for those two chosen just electron inspection. A lot of time we run first and second round in the morning and the rest of the day off. Have the two even take their boxes out and MSD bring it back to their trailer for an inspection. Just the threat of this could happen to you should go a long way with helping any problem we might have. Also would be nice if there was someone at a race that we could also ask questions we have about what is acceptable.

Not sure if many remember but years ago and I'm talking 20 plus years ago they hired such a person. Not sure of his credentials but they had one. At E-Town National's I was one of the chosen ones that ended up in tear down. They did the normal top end stuff but also the electronic person did an inspection of my car. The only thing that came out of his inspection of the car was I couldn't use the line lock button light to let me know the line lock was in gaged. I laughed and said really most of the cars had one in them. I asked Bob Lang who was the head of D-1 at that time and he said that the tec guy thought there could be a way you could use the light for something else. Not sure how long he lasted in that job or if he still works for them now. But right now as you know not much if anything is being looked at when it comes to electrics.
I don't know about you but I'm old school and don't have anywhere near the knowledge on this subject that I'm sure others that are racing have. I have no doubt It wouldn't be that tough for some to use any box and make changes that would enhance their car in not a way we are suppose to. BP

Billy Nees · 10-03-2022, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

I'd be looking at contracting a company such as MSD and others to do electronic tec inspections. MSD is already at the National's. BP

Wouldn't that be like contracting with Rich Matty to look for Matty Boxes?

ProfessorRock · 10-05-2022, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

Wouldn't that be like contracting with Rich Matty to look for Matty Boxes?

so I said to myself I'm not going to get involved in this discussion but if I'm gonna be part of this forum I guess I might as well just stick my foot in it let the chips fall where they may because I think in order to save the sport it as we know it somebody not only has to say something someone (all of us}have to do something. OK so Mr. Billy you make a good point but if mr. Matty we're selling boxes to everyone because they were legal then he could check to make sure they were legal cheaters and he would make money and everyone would be on the same page, not that that's a good solution lol but you gotta have somebody who knows how things work in order to police them otherwise you R just bitching without providing any solutions.Solutions. so perhaps just perhaps -replacing Matty theoretically- with MSD ! and then handing out a Box to ea. racer at the race requiring Ea. to use it only and then collecting it post race. Would at least solve that problem. Whats that ?? of course they are going to make us pay for it.hahah. So - What do you think. So i am willing to give my honest opinion. And i think some of the rest of you should be voicing yours and not caring what someone else is going to say about you. Because there is just toooo many secrets out there in Stock and SS .
And i believe its is ruining our sport and our fun. Oh yeah the Pic attached tells how long i have been involved in this sport/game although not continously.

Mike Jones · 10-03-2022, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by B Parker

. I have no doubt It wouldn't be that tough for some to use any box and make changes that would enhance their car in not a way we are suppose to. BP

I wonder if you could link an ABS controller to real time data and get an effective scrub when you needed it. Maybe the wheel sensors could count....never mind.

Mike Gray · 10-03-2022, 05:31 PM

Should have my new stocker together in a few months after it's back from paint. I researched ignition systems to used and asked others for advice. I got back "get a grid" from more than one so I did some checking. From my experience running .90 classes and knowing the value of consistency there is no way I'm going to use one. There are enough places to "tune" on a car and screw up the next run than to go into a laptop a make a myriad of changes with a key stroke. I'm already old and computer challenged, I would mess up the car in no time! LOL

10-02-2022, 09:09 AM	#1
Frank Castros VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Lowcountry. Posts: 2,975 Likes: 2,598 Liked 2,727 Times in 961 Posts	Re: ? of the day Ban this crap.

10-02-2022, 09:22 AM	#2
PozQB14 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: Youngsville, NC Posts: 129 Likes: 24 Liked 42 Times in 17 Posts	Re: ? of the day One of the big issues to be addressed is using a racepak in conjuction with a grid for the purpose of sensors on your driveshaft. I understand you want to use one to find out where you need to be with your converter or manual transmission gearing at a testing session. But nhra can easily look under stock and super stockers and if they see wires hanging off a rear end at the pinion, it should be an immediate DQ. Btw, all Holley EFI systems have this option without using a racepak, not sure about fast or big stuff. With these EFI combos, the options for engine management and timing controls are endless going down the track consistently.

10-02-2022, 09:36 PM	#3
B Parker Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 849 Likes: 980 Liked 2,336 Times in 464 Posts	Re: ? of the day Billy, Charlie and Frank have you guys ever used a grid or a Race Pac. I would much prefer one of the old digital boxes but they don't make them anymore. I have both a carb car and a ETI car. The EFI car has it all over the carb car with the grid. If you know a way that you can use the grid to cheat lets here it. Now I wish I could tune the carb car as it went down the track. Anything that you can do with the grid you can petty much do with the EFI cars. There maybe a few exceptions but I not aware of any. BP I'm not an expert at using the grid and this year of racing is over for me. But next year come on over if your at a race I'm racing at. I'll plug the grid into my computer and show you what it can and can't do. I'd worry more about delay boxes or boxes with in another box. Last edited by B Parker; 10-02-2022 at 09:45 PM.

10-03-2022, 10:07 AM	#5
voltdr Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 706 Likes: 77 Liked 100 Times in 51 Posts	Re: ? of the day At INDY, NHRA pulled SG and SC cars into the barn to look at wiring and ignition stuff. Just like our delay boxes, I believe the grid can only make adjustments to timing based on preprogrammed info not on the fly. However, when I go to Big $$$ bracket races, we’re required to disconnect our driveshaft sensors during eliminations. Dan SC 44 __________________ Dan Foley SC 4698

10-03-2022, 05:31 PM	#10
Mike Gray Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 617 Likes: 311 Liked 688 Times in 198 Posts	Re: ? of the day Should have my new stocker together in a few months after it's back from paint. I researched ignition systems to used and asked others for advice. I got back "get a grid" from more than one so I did some checking. From my experience running .90 classes and knowing the value of consistency there is no way I'm going to use one. There are enough places to "tune" on a car and screw up the next run than to go into a laptop a make a myriad of changes with a key stroke. I'm already old and computer challenged, I would mess up the car in no time! LOL __________________ Mike 7570 A/SA Last edited by Mike Gray; 10-03-2022 at 05:37 PM.