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[Keith 944]

You can also hook a racepack to the grid, now you have two data recorders and ………

[Charlie Yannetti]

WELLLLLLLLL, they don't call it the "Cheater Grid" for nothin'.. NOW, proving it seems to be another issue not being addressed by the upper echelon.. YES, I just said that..

[Frank Castros]

Ban this crap.

[PozQB14]

One of the big issues to be addressed is using a racepak in conjuction with a grid for the purpose of sensors on your driveshaft. I understand you want to use one to find out where you need to be with your converter or manual transmission gearing at a testing session. But nhra can easily look under stock and super stockers and if they see wires hanging off a rear end at the pinion, it should be an immediate DQ. Btw, all Holley EFI systems have this option without using a racepak, not sure about fast or big stuff. With these EFI combos, the options for engine management and timing controls are endless going down the track consistently.

[B Parker]

Billy, Charlie and Frank have you guys ever used a grid or a Race Pac. I would much prefer one of the old digital boxes but they don't make them anymore. I have both a carb car and a ETI car. The EFI car has it all over the carb car with the grid. If you know a way that you can use the grid to cheat lets here it. Now I wish I could tune the carb car as it went down the track. Anything that you can do with the grid you can
petty much do with the EFI cars. There maybe a few exceptions but I not aware of any. BP

I'm not an expert at using the grid and this year of racing is over for me. But next year come on over if your at a race I'm racing at. I'll plug the grid into my computer and show you what it can and can't do. I'd worry more about delay boxes or boxes with in another box.

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by B Parker

I'd worry more about delay boxes or boxes with in another box.

OK Barry, this is as good a place to start as any. What should be done about it? Should NHRA be arbitrarily "confiscating" (or replacing) ignition boxes, data loggers and tachometers? I seem to remember several years ago NHRA handing a prominent Sportsmen Racer an ignition box and telling him to give them his! Is this the answer?

[voltdr]

At INDY, NHRA pulled SG and SC cars into the barn to look at wiring and ignition stuff. Just like our delay boxes, I believe the grid can only make adjustments to timing based on preprogrammed info not on the fly. However, when I go to Big $$$ bracket races, we’re required to disconnect our driveshaft sensors during eliminations.
Dan
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[B Parker]

Originally Posted by Billy Nees

OK Barry, this is as good a place to start as any. What should be done about it? Should NHRA be arbitrarily "confiscating" (or replacing) ignition boxes, data loggers and tachometers? I seem to remember several years ago NHRA handing a prominent Sportsmen Racer an ignition box and telling him to give them his! Is this the answer?

Billy, As I see it the main problem in fixing all this has to do with money. As far as I know NHRA Tec department does not have a qualified expert in the field of electronics. If they don't they need one. Not only for our cars but for the Pro's. It might be hard to hire one because anyone with that kind of knowledge is probably already working and making decent money. I'd be looking at contracting a company such as MSD and others to do electronic tec inspections. MSD is already at the National's. That's why I said them but I'm sure there are others they could contract with. Just do one Stocker and Super/Stocker at a National race. No other tear down for those two chosen just electron inspection. A lot of time we run first and second round in the morning and the rest of the day off. Have the two even take their boxes out and MSD bring it back to their trailer for an inspection. Just the threat of this could happen to you should go a long way with helping any problem we might have. Also would be nice if there was someone at a race that we could also ask questions we have about what is acceptable.

Not sure if many remember but years ago and I'm talking 20 plus years ago they hired such a person. Not sure of his credentials but they had one. At E-Town National's I was one of the chosen ones that ended up in tear down. They did the normal top end stuff but also the electronic person did an inspection of my car. The only thing that came out of his inspection of the car was I couldn't use the line lock button light to let me know the line lock was in gaged. I laughed and said really most of the cars had one in them. I asked Bob Lang who was the head of D-1 at that time and he said that the tec guy thought there could be a way you could use the light for something else. Not sure how long he lasted in that job or if he still works for them now. But right now as you know not much if anything is being looked at when it comes to electrics.
I don't know about you but I'm old school and don't have anywhere near the knowledge on this subject that I'm sure others that are racing have. I have no doubt It wouldn't be that tough for some to use any box and make changes that would enhance their car in not a way we are suppose to. BP

[Billy Nees]

Originally Posted by B Parker

I'd be looking at contracting a company such as MSD and others to do electronic tec inspections. MSD is already at the National's. BP

Wouldn't that be like contracting with Rich Matty to look for Matty Boxes?

[Mike Jones]

Originally Posted by B Parker

. I have no doubt It wouldn't be that tough for some to use any box and make changes that would enhance their car in not a way we are suppose to. BP

I wonder if you could link an ABS controller to real time data and get an effective scrub when you needed it. Maybe the wheel sensors could count....never mind.