BIG $$$ Race

Ron Ortiz · 12-18-2022, 06:45 PM

Watched the 5 Day Christmas Bracket Bash at Bradenton this past week. Tyler Bohannan did real well.
Next year SFG Promotions has got a bottom heavy payout for next year starting with the $500 3rd round, $1,000 4th round, $1,500 5th round, $2,000 6th round, $2,500 7th round, $4,000 1/4 final, $7,500 Semi final, $20,000 Runner up, $50,000 Winner. It is really racer orientated payout. 3 days with $50,000 to win each day + $20,000 warm up race. $999.00 Entry for event.

I remember the Stock Super Stock big 3 day race the previous year, believe there was another one in the midwest that year also. It was fantastic.

So, will there ever be another Stock Super Stock event?
Will the payouts change after seeing what SFG is doing?

Ron Ortiz
U/SA $?$?$?

Ron Ortiz · 12-18-2022, 06:50 PM

Saw quite the array of racers, Randi Lynn Butner, Jason McCandless, Spencer Massey, Dave Connoly, and the usual heavy hitters of the bracket world.

MR DERBY CITY · 12-18-2022, 07:00 PM

Hello Ron, all I have to say is what promoter in their right mind would put their time and effort into a race that will not yield a profit. Michael Beard tried, BOLD promotions (Bo, Jason L., Dave C.) tried, and Tyler Bohannon tried ……With that said, Tyler B. has another Stock/ Superstock race scheduled August 4-6 in Madison, Illinois ….

Ron Ortiz · 12-18-2022, 09:53 PM

Thanks MJ, BOLD Promotions, that's who it was. I was hoping that would have continued this or next year somewhere down south a little. Don't know what the profit margins are, but that new thing with SFG says otherwise.

MR DERBY CITY · 12-18-2022, 10:04 PM

BOLD promotions lost $$$ dealing with Stock/Superstock racers …..On the other hand, SFG makes $$$ dealing with ( ) racers. TWO DIFFERENT CROWDS ……

Ron Ortiz · 12-19-2022, 09:56 AM

They both pay money to race.
They both put a number on the car.
They both go down the track.
How are they different.

Win $50,000
R/U $20,000
Semi $7,500
1/4 $4,000
7th Rd $2,500
6th Rd $2,000
5th Rd $1,500
4th Rd $1,000
3rd Rd $500

Entry $999. 3 days @ $50,000 + $20,000 warm up race, that is 4 events per week

What does a National event that takes 4 days pay out? What is the entry fee?
Tell me again why it won't work for Stk SS.

Billy Nees · 12-19-2022, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

Tell me again why it won't work for Stk SS.

Good question Ron! But, historically it never does work.

james schaechter · 12-19-2022, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

They both pay money to race.
They both put a number on the car.
They both go down the track.
How are they different.

Win $50,000
R/U $20,000
Semi $7,500
1/4 $4,000
7th Rd $2,500
6th Rd $2,000
5th Rd $1,500
4th Rd $1,000
3rd Rd $500

Entry $999. 3 days @ $50,000 + $20,000 warm up race, that is 4 events per week

What does a National event that takes 4 days pay out? What is the entry fee?
Tell me again why it won't work for Stk SS.

Simply because the majority of the class racers that whine about not having a big money race don’t show when there is one. When one comes up, the excuses start flying. They just don’t show.

442OLDS · 12-19-2022, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

They both pay money to race.
They both put a number on the car.
They both go down the track.
How are they different.

Win $50,000
R/U $20,000
Semi $7,500
1/4 $4,000
7th Rd $2,500
6th Rd $2,000
5th Rd $1,500
4th Rd $1,000
3rd Rd $500

Entry $999. 3 days @ $50,000 + $20,000 warm up race, that is 4 events per week

What does a National event that takes 4 days pay out? What is the entry fee?
Tell me again why it won't work for Stk SS.

Those big payouts are dependent on buybacks and double entries. Most Stock and Super Stock racers don't like buybacks including myself.
Then,if you don't have heads up races,half the people wouldn't show up.
If you have heads up races,the other half would not show up.
If you have more than 128,people would complain it's too easy to qualify.

JeremyDuncan · 12-19-2022, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron Ortiz

They both pay money to race.
They both put a number on the car.
They both go down the track.
How are they different.

Win $50,000
R/U $20,000
Semi $7,500
1/4 $4,000
7th Rd $2,500
6th Rd $2,000
5th Rd $1,500
4th Rd $1,000
3rd Rd $500

Entry $999. 3 days @ $50,000 + $20,000 warm up race, that is 4 events per week

What does a National event that takes 4 days pay out? What is the entry fee?
Tell me again why it won't work for Stk SS.

Don't forget buybacks are a large part of the purse and buybacks will not be well received by class racers(I am one or them).

12-18-2022, 06:45 PM	#1
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	BIG $$$ Race Watched the 5 Day Christmas Bracket Bash at Bradenton this past week. Tyler Bohannan did real well. Next year SFG Promotions has got a bottom heavy payout for next year starting with the $500 3rd round, $1,000 4th round, $1,500 5th round, $2,000 6th round, $2,500 7th round, $4,000 1/4 final, $7,500 Semi final, $20,000 Runner up, $50,000 Winner. It is really racer orientated payout. 3 days with $50,000 to win each day + $20,000 warm up race. $999.00 Entry for event. I remember the Stock Super Stock big 3 day race the previous year, believe there was another one in the midwest that year also. It was fantastic. So, will there ever be another Stock Super Stock event? Will the payouts change after seeing what SFG is doing? Ron Ortiz U/SA $?$?$? __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

12-18-2022, 06:50 PM	#2
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race Saw quite the array of racers, Randi Lynn Butner, Jason McCandless, Spencer Massey, Dave Connoly, and the usual heavy hitters of the bracket world. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

12-18-2022, 07:00 PM	#3
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,636 Likes: 1,083 Liked 7,927 Times in 1,516 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race Hello Ron, all I have to say is what promoter in their right mind would put their time and effort into a race that will not yield a profit. Michael Beard tried, BOLD promotions (Bo, Jason L., Dave C.) tried, and Tyler Bohannon tried ……With that said, Tyler B. has another Stock/ Superstock race scheduled August 4-6 in Madison, Illinois …. Last edited by MR DERBY CITY; 12-18-2022 at 07:06 PM.

12-18-2022, 09:53 PM	#4
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race Thanks MJ, BOLD Promotions, that's who it was. I was hoping that would have continued this or next year somewhere down south a little. Don't know what the profit margins are, but that new thing with SFG says otherwise. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK

12-18-2022, 10:04 PM	#5
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,636 Likes: 1,083 Liked 7,927 Times in 1,516 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race BOLD promotions lost $$$ dealing with Stock/Superstock racers …..On the other hand, SFG makes $$$ dealing with ( ) racers. TWO DIFFERENT CROWDS …… Last edited by MR DERBY CITY; 12-18-2022 at 10:06 PM.

12-19-2022, 09:56 AM	#6
Ron Ortiz Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Englewood, Florida Posts: 989 Likes: 35 Liked 317 Times in 103 Posts	Re: BIG $$$ Race They both pay money to race. They both put a number on the car. They both go down the track. How are they different. Win $50,000 R/U $20,000 Semi $7,500 1/4 $4,000 7th Rd $2,500 6th Rd $2,000 5th Rd $1,500 4th Rd $1,000 3rd Rd $500 Entry $999. 3 days @ $50,000 + $20,000 warm up race, that is 4 events per week What does a National event that takes 4 days pay out? What is the entry fee? Tell me again why it won't work for Stk SS. __________________ Ron Ortiz 2102 STK