I need to apologize!!

[Paul Wong]

Originally Posted by Doug Hoven

It seems like a lot of the problems we've seen in stock as far as rule bending really became amplified when the majority of racers decided to just go out and "buy horsepower" from select engine builder. Most not even batting an eye on how that extra horsepower was made. Unfortunately, it has evolved into a game of who can hide their "enhancements" the best. What seems to be true for most combos, is that if you build an engine exactly as the rulebook states, you aren't going to be anywhere close to those that spent the money to have a really fast bullet built. While it's easy to blame the NHRA for everything, I can't help but think us racers share a deal of fault for allowing stock to get to this point. It seems like NHRA has made up their mind as far as policing these enhancements, so as far as I'm concerned, building an engine to uphold the "integrity" of stock eliminator, is sort of a waste of time if you really want to have a chance in a heads up situation. I've yet to see a trophy for "most stock" car. Personally, I like to stick with the "built, not bought" program, but if I wasn't a broke college student, maybe that'd be different.

This absolutely nothing new. This has been going on since the beginning. The cost of admission may have gone up 10-20k on enhancing but people have pushed the rules since the start of all this. There have always been a large portion pushing it hard. I even sold a car 20 years ago because the engines were going north of 20K. Little did I know that was going to be industry standard for good parts......not just enhanced parts, good parts.

There was never a system in place until the AHFS. Like it or not, it took the arbitrary "you went fast the last two races and your combo is in National Dragster getting 5 - 15 hp in the next issue. What we are really missing is people looking at cars. I may be one to ask for it but when i can practically order lunch for who is tearing down next to me in the barn at Indy, we are not checking randomly.

It was clear to me from the get go that .70 under runs are gold and you need as many of them under your belt as you can get.

[Paradigm Shift]

It was clear to me from the get go that .70 under runs are gold and you need as many of them under your belt as you can get.

That's an interesting suggestion. What was the reasoning behind it?

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Paradigm Shift

That's an interesting suggestion. What was the reasoning behind it?

For someone with so much to say, you sure are out of touch...

[Paradigm Shift]

You may be correct.

It's the lack of due diligence that is at the foundation of my character flaws.

At the risk of incensing some, I'll ask again.


That's an interesting suggestion. What was the reasoning behind it?

[Mike Pearson]

The way I read the review process is if there are 2 runs more than 1 second under the index for a particular combo and platform then an automatic review will happen. If the class average is more than .85 under at the time of the review the combo will receive a HP increase based on the fastest run by that combination. If the class average is less than .85 under then index no HP increase happens. So if you made 2 runs faster than one second under this year you will automatically get a review to check the class average.

[rboyle]

Couple of questions, is Indy going to keep AHFS in this year? If so it would almost certainly get a trigger there at some point. There is plenty of season left though so it's way early to predict who or how many will get a HP increase.
Is the 1969 350/300HP combo that much worse and what parts are different than the 255 version? Point being if it's an intake manifold change and that is not as favorable maybe you can run that combo at the faster races typically,
I don't have a horse in that race anyway

[Doug Hoven]

Originally Posted by rboyle

Couple of questions, is Indy going to keep AHFS in this year? If so it would almost certainly get a trigger there at some point. There is plenty of season left though so it's way early to predict who or how many will get a HP increase.
Is the 1969 350/300HP combo that much worse and what parts are different than the 255 version? Point being if it's an intake manifold change and that is not as favorable maybe you can run that combo at the faster races typically,
I don't have a horse in that race anyway

The 350/300hp uses a different cylinder head. It uses the earlier style head (462, 186, 041 etc.). I'll have a better understanding of 255 vs 300hp after I get my 70 300hp motor together and in the car, hopefully within the upcoming months. One thing I can't seem to understand, as a 69, you can run the 255hp, 300hp, or 70 300hp intake on the car, but as a 70, you're only allowed the 70 intake. There's still a decent number of racers running the 67-68 295hp combo, which is the same as a 300hp except for the intake, but no one seems to be going as fast as the 255hp cars.

[GUMP]

Originally Posted by Paradigm Shift

You may be correct.

It's the lack of due diligence that is at the foundation of my character flaws.

At the risk of incensing some, I'll ask again.


That's an interesting suggestion. What was the reasoning behind it?

If you have five .700 runs and you make a 1.20 run you will not get HP. The more .700 runs you bank, the more times you can let it hang out. Obviously, that only applies if everyone running your combination follows the same plan....

[Paul Wong]

Daren laid out the answer spot on. If you bank your average at .70 under, when you go 1.15 it won’t bite you. If you plan on class racing or winning a heads up in the eliminator and don’t want to move classes next year, then they have laid out how to play the game with their bat, ball, glove and field.

[GUMP]

Just keep in mind that you need enough .700 runs to cover each fast run that you make...