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Old 04-25-2023, 05:20 AM   #1
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Years ago our Division Director didn't want his crew working hard so he made first round random .Also because it was random he didn't want guys ( or gals) chasing people around to get them heads-up. With a ladder this would become harder to do but it probably won't ever change .
Thanks Jack. But it seems like a laziness excuse for DD from back then. Since when is what we do easy? I'm now insulted that this was the reason. We work hard spend tons of time and money to go fast then hit the TnT day at an open and run hard in Q1 & Q2 just to have first round be run like Wednesday night street race at your local track?
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Old 04-25-2023, 08:31 AM   #2
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In D1 there would be tons of bye runs, we have a lot of cars and many come to see how fast they can go or to set a record or to get a grade point. Often after that they skip the eliminator. Personally I like it, gives the crew a break which they deserve and gets the eliminator done earlier.
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Old 04-25-2023, 12:15 PM   #3
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I could see this as a time saver only, in D5 our national opens get about 80 - 100 S/SS cars and will pull ladders A - D into the lanes, that requires time to pair etc.

Random pairing saves a lot of time, but does kind of draw back from the basis of the S/SS class, qualify, ladder and have the potential of a heads-up run.

I do see the point of the track however, lots of time and manpower saved by not pairing cars.
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Old 04-25-2023, 12:59 PM   #4
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Who gets the bye in round one and why? Who gets the next bye and why? Everyone needs to know all the rules that are changed from the NHRA norm.
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Old 04-25-2023, 01:19 PM   #5
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Who gets the bye in round one and why? Who gets the next bye and why? Everyone needs to know all the rules that are changed from the NHRA norm.
I dont remember if its best reaction time for the first round bye, but the ladder gets set for second round by who goes farthest under like normal. And there are heads ups second round on
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Old 04-25-2023, 02:39 PM   #6
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Who gets the bye in round one and why? Who gets the next bye and why? Everyone needs to know all the rules that are changed from the NHRA norm.
They pull someone from the front and pull them off to the side. Odd number of cars the one pulled out gets it. They make a ladder after first round. Works just fine.
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So the person with the best reaction time gets the bye, I can’t find it in the rules. And the and the next bye goes to fastest under index of the first rounds winners. So round one the bye run racer can’t red light or brake out and he is furthest under the index. Two bye runs before anyone else is considered.
This happened at a race at Bowling Green. Everybody got cheated by the race director. Reaction time plays a big part in our sport, but not for setting up the ladder.
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Old 04-25-2023, 03:42 PM   #8
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So the person with the best reaction time gets the bye, I can’t find it in the rules. And the and the next bye goes to fastest under index of the first rounds winners. So round one the bye run racer can’t red light or brake out and he is furthest under the index. Two bye runs before anyone else is considered.
This happened at a race at Bowling Green. Everybody got cheated by the race director. Reaction time plays a big part in our sport, but not for setting up the ladder.
Second Rd pairings are All first rd winners by how far under your index you ran gets
put on the ladder.
If there is a even number of cars for Rd 2 than naturally there is NO bye run.
In Div 1 that’s how it was done.
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Old 04-26-2023, 12:32 PM   #9
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So the person with the best reaction time gets the bye, I can’t find it in the rules. And the and the next bye goes to fastest under index of the first rounds winners. So round one the bye run racer can’t red light or brake out and he is furthest under the index. Two bye runs before anyone else is considered.
This happened at a race at Bowling Green. Everybody got cheated by the race director. Reaction time plays a big part in our sport, but not for setting up the ladder.
Larry, every division director has his own way of operating first round at National Opens. I recall the race at BG. Quite a surprise that a racer who I admire and respect tremendously received a bye run first and second round. REMEMBER, everything is at the discretion of the division director..
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If you opponent is in the same class just ask if he wants a heads up. Dial 8.00 and first to finish line wins.
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