New - Lots of Questions. Help me understand S&SS

[Jared Jordan]

You can run the 440-6 or any other combo you like in the GT classes. If the later model Drag Pak engines are your thing you can run FGT. I’d think there’s enough guys running those throughout the country that you’d be able to find a reasonably priced, gently used piece that’ll get you in the game.

Don’t listen to the forum troll, either. If he really thought class racing is as bad as he says he’d find somewhere else to cry about all his “haters.”

[1320racer]

Says another hater and liar that claims to have blocked my posts because he too can’t handle opinions and advice that differs from his meanwhile it’s no surprise he’s a liar, he defends scumbags for a living.

[Jared Jordan]

The ignore user function also comes highly recommended.

[JP1738]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

First of all, your welcome to him is about 8 years too late but you nor most here cared about his posts then and only reply now because he?s asking about stock eliminator which is car is not legal for.

It's almost like classracer users want to engage with people who are actually interested in class racing. hmmm

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Second, most won?t tell him honestly how much money it cost to build their can no mind how much it cost per year to maintain and those that are actually winning races and championships also won?t state the truth as to how much time, effort and money it cost them to be at the top of the game no mind how long it took them to get there.

I've got about 14k in my program (10 for the car and engine parts, 2 for engine assembly, and 2 for miscellaneous parts I had to acquire to get the car race ready. I already had a trailer and tools, which it sounds like this fellow does as well), for clarity. I'm not the fastest, but I'm under my index and far enough down in the alphabet that heads up runs are not something I'm worried about. Having an absolute blast and just started a year ago.

Entry fees are around $200 +/- $20 depending on which division you run in. Payout is not amazing for the price, around $2k to win with $100 per paying contingency sticker on the car at divisionals, $300 per sticker at nationals. I won a national event in S/G in 2023, was not stickered up great, and still cleared about $4500 (and a really awesome wally).

[1320racer]

Dawson, my son and I ARE class racers and we have won numerous “awesome” Wallys for class wins, Division Championships and National event wins.

That said, your $14k investment in your program will not be nearly enough to transform the OP’s bracket car into a legal, competitive, stocker much less a competitive super stocker!

[JP1738]

I just wanted to share my investment for the sake of "being transparent on real costs." The money I've spent on my program is a known, the potential money this fella will spend is an unknown.

And by class racer, I mean STK/SS racers are interested in helping and advising people who are interested in STK/SS racing. That is the thread we are in, anyway. Sorry for the confusion lol.

[Paul Precht]

Originally Posted by LemonWedge

This sounds like the truth. I do NOT have cubic dollars. Bracket racing is fun. But like most car guys, I?m constantly looking for the next thing. Lots of good suggestions here.
So if I?m looking at this correctly, a 1967 Satellite had a shipping weight of 3534. The 383 four barrel, advertised at 325, is factored at 290 with stock 516 heads. This means the weight break number is 12.18, which slots the combo into SS/K, which is an index of 11.25. To be competitive at all, I?d have to have that combo solidly into the 10?s. That seems crazy to me. With stock heads and a 625 cfm AFB.

Also, Am I correct that under the GT class, you can run an engine combination from another year, such as a 440 six barrel setup in a 1967 chassis??

The 915 small valve is a better head than the 516 for stock, in SS the Stg5 head is probably the best option.The 60s 383 AFB which is the same as the 426 Street Wedge can work in Stock but it's a bit too small for any real power in SS. I have tested 2 of them on my flow bench and they flowed 566 and 582, I'm guessing their original rating was 575, the 582 one with a large 65 Monaco air cleaner base flowed 598 CFM. The 440 would need a full cage in SS as a GTX or in GT. If you don't have a cage the 70-71 383 would be best for GT as it can fit GT/LA which is not typically a very populated class. The AVS can flow close to 650 with a good base and the 383 Holleys that I checked were 724 and 746 without putting a base on them, both have the same HP rating in SS with GT being a bit higher. None of these will go .8 under without great heads, big money, Pro trans etc. The 70 383 will go under the index in GT with good heads, intake and ideal cam.

[GTX JOHN]

I have done fairly well with my Superstock Aspen
SS/LA and SS/MA. It usually runs a couple tenths or
less under the index.

However, it always runs at least the index.
I do not remember every having a Heads Up
race in eliminations the last fifteen years. They are few
and far between. It was the late Larry Harroll racecar
that I bought with the engine apart for $3,500.00 from his
Widow after it had been sitting for decades.

As long as you can run the index in bad weather or a strong head
wind there is absolutely no imperative to go any faster except
your personal drive.

My son Jon runs SS/KA in his Duster and may get a heads up
in eliminations once a year. He actually welcomes them but
they are still scarce and hard to find.

John Winslow for many years has run a 426 in SS/JA with good
success and it is saddled with the small Carter and a bigger engine.
than the 383.

There are some workarounds to improve that carb but you would
need to call me in private for info.

[1320racer]

There you go, so in addition to the OP?s car not being legal for stock eliminator, the engine doesn’t have the best/right heads and as for super stock, nothing about his car/combo is right for building a competitive super stocker, no mind the need for “big money” to attempt to do it.

[GTX JOHN]

Originally Posted by 1320racer

Says another hater and liar that claims to have blocked my posts because he too can?t handle opinions and advice that differs from his meanwhile it?s no surprise he?s a liar, he defends scumbags for a living.

Boy: I would pay $100.00 cash money to see you call Jared a
liar to his face.

BTW: Jared served as a very capable and respected prosecutor in his
area of the country for a number of years. Every person has a right
to a competent defense and a presumption of innocence in our nation.

Nowhere in my post did I mention Stock Eliminator in my above post.
The 915 heads or the superseded legal heads are a good basis for
building an engine for either stock or SS.

However, I have seen multiple Mopars in that year range having been converted
back to Stock wheel tubs and spring location from SS. I have seen many
383 and 426 cars raced in Stock competitively included Jared's car
for a number of years.